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  • Prolet
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 5241

    Zoran Vraniskovski proposes Slav Macedonia

    On Al Sat Television, Zoran Vraniskovski says that we should rename ourselves to Slav Macedonian. I cant believe we still have people like this in our country, what a farce.

    МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.
  • TrueMacedonian
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 3810

    #2
    Originally posted by Prolet View Post
    On Al Sat Television, Zoran Vraniskovski says that we should rename ourselves to Slav Macedonian. I cant believe we still have people like this in our country, what a farce.

    http://sitel.com.mk/video/makedonija...-i-identitetot
    What do you honestly expect from this Serbo-man piece of trash.
    Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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    • Vangelovski
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 8531

      #3
      Prolet,

      We have people (that you support) that argue that we only officially began using our state name in 1944/45 - as if the name "Macedonia" was never used by a Macedonian state prior to that year. Even worse, this group has at times argued that we 'chose that name in 1991'. Take a guess who's run that line and remained silent when questioned on it? I'll give you a hint - its initials are UMD. It's also interesting that they have run this line of arguement:

      The Republic of Macedonia has always taken the position that it does not hold exclusive rights over the name Macedonia in geographic, cultural, historic, or commercial terms.

      http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/241/51/
      Shared history, shared geography, shared culture. Sounds like UMD believes the Macedonians and Greeks are the same people.
      Last edited by Vangelovski; 04-06-2010, 09:35 PM.
      If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

      The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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      • Pelister
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2742

        #4
        Meto told me personally that we have only been a country since 1944. I have said it before. UMD FULLY BACK GREECE (with conditions) within the framework of these negotiations.

        This 'Zoran" is a moron who obviously doesn't know a thing about Macedonian history, identity and culture.
        Last edited by Pelister; 04-06-2010, 08:59 PM.

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        • Volk
          Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 894

          #5
          What do you expect from a foreign paid spy?

          Pelister, the modern Macedonian state (government) was created in 1944. Are you ignorant to this? Which Macedonians governed Macedonia prior to this? Or did we rule ourselves the past 500 years?
          Makedonija vo Srce

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          • Vangelovski
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 8531

            #6
            Volk,

            There is a difference between the 'state' and the 'government'. A Macedonian 'state' was not first created in 1944 or 1991 - it has historically existed in various forms prior to that. The name Macedonia was not first 'officially' used as the name of our state in 1944 or 1991 - it has been used as the name of our state (as it existed historically) and as the name of our homeland continuously.

            Don't you have any comments on UMD's belief in a 'shared history, culture and geography'?
            If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

            The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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            • makedonche
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 3242

              #7
              Originally posted by Volk View Post
              What do you expect from a foreign paid spy?

              Pelister, the modern Macedonian state (government) was created in 1944. Are you ignorant to this? Which Macedonians governed Macedonia prior to this? Or did we rule ourselves the past 500 years?
              Volk
              That may be so, but I do remember celebrating 100 years of statehood in 2003!
              On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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              • Volk
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 894

                #8
                Don't you have any comments on UMD's belief in a 'shared history, culture and geography'?
                I am unsure which beliefs you are talking about Tom, if you post a link I will gladly comment.

                There is a difference between the 'state' and the 'government'
                This is true, however you need a government to rule over a state. A state needs a level of self governance. When has this happened prior to 1944 (exception of the Krushevo Republic) in our modern history? I am not aware of any self governance during ottoman occupation?

                it has been used as the name of our state (as it existed historically) and as the name of our homeland continuously.
                Undoubtedly..
                Makedonija vo Srce

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                • Volk
                  Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 894

                  #9
                  That may be so, but I do remember celebrating 100 years of statehood in 2003!
                  Very true, our modern nation stems from the Ilinden Uprisings and the Krushevo Republic
                  Makedonija vo Srce

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                  • Vangelovski
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 8531

                    #10
                    Volk, read my first post - that has UMD's statement and link.

                    In relation to your responses - try and make some sense of them before the rest of us can.
                    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                    • osiris
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1969

                      #11
                      volk if the english can claim harolds england as their state why cant we clam ancient macedonia as our first nation.

                      its ironic that every nation goes as far back as possible to stake a claim to nationhood yet the only ancient nation that would fit the modern model is macedonia and its modern people apparently have no right to its legacy and symbols while the people who were ancient macedonias enemies at that time do.

                      the hypocrisy of people who support greeces position is arguably more brazen and breathtaking in scope then the griechenland malakas themselves. they need the lie to exist and have mysteriously never been held to account for the above contradiction.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        #12
                        Vranishkovski is a nobody, we will always have traitors among us, which is why we should always 'out' them publicly so the Macedonian people are aware of what sort of swine they have living among them.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • Buktop
                          Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 934

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                          Prolet,

                          We have people (that you support) that argue that we only officially began using our state name in 1944/45 - as if the name "Macedonia" was never used by a Macedonian state prior to that year. Even worse, this group has at times argued that we 'chose that name in 1991'. Take a guess who's run that line and remained silent when questioned on it? I'll give you a hint - its initials are UMD.
                          Which definition of state are we discussing here? The supreme public power within a sovereign political entity, a specific mode of government, or a body politic, especially one constituting a nation?

                          The current Macedonian state has only existed continuously since August 2, 1944 established under the name Democratic Macedonia. The period from the end of the Krushevo Republic to 1944 there was no sovereign Macedonian state in existence as it was subjugated and partitioned. If you are talking about a Macedonian entity or identity, then that is different than state and was not mentioned.

                          In regards to us choosing the name in 91, On April 16, 1991 the parliament adopted the constitutional amendment for removing the "Socialist" adjective from the official name of the country, and on June 7 the same year, the new name Republic of Macedonia was officially established. They are not discussing the name Macedonia, they are discussing the official name of the state. Please clarify what your issue is with this statement...
                          Last edited by Buktop; 04-07-2010, 01:01 AM.
                          "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                          Never once say you walk upon your final way
                          though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                          Our long awaited hour will draw near
                          and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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                          • Prolet
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 5241

                            #14
                            Buktop, Whats your opinion on this whole Vranishkovski Saga? Janko Bachev once in a press conference said that he is a spy and keep in mind that Bachev was in DBK for a while.

                            Its interesting how both the Greek and Serbian Churches admitted to financing Vranishkovski.
                            МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                            • Buktop
                              Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 934

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Prolet View Post
                              Buktop, Whats your opinion on this whole Vranishkovski Saga? Janko Bachev once in a press conference said that he is a spy and keep in mind that Bachev was in DBK for a while.

                              Its interesting how both the Greek and Serbian Churches admitted to financing Vranishkovski.
                              Vranishkovski is a nobody, they should arrest him for tax evasion, or misuse of church funds, if he hasn't disclosed all the finances that he receives.
                              "I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"

                              Never once say you walk upon your final way
                              though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
                              Our long awaited hour will draw near
                              and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

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