Monuments and Statues in the Macedonian Republic

[Prolet]

SOM, Its not unrealistic at all, The Gegi are in Kosovo and Macedonia, The Toski are in Albania and they dont like the Gegi. Drle is on the right track, if those Albanians are not prepared to follow Macedonian Law then they should go to Kosovo fuck them mameto nivno.

I notice now that IVZ (The Islamic Organization) is being used for religious purposes by the Albanians in the name of all the Muslims in Macedonia. They are trying to get all the muslims from Torbeshi,Gjupci, Turci,Bosnjaci etc to push us for more rights yet its the Albanians doing things for themselves.

This is why the Government has to do their best to isolate the Albanians and make closer ties with the Torbeshi because they are Macedonians.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, you're being unrealistic, we need planning to solve our problems, and a bit more intellect than 'mameto nivno' if we are to succeed in ensuring Macedonia's survival in the face of these state enemies. Throw up some ideas on how we can get this done, not just what needs to be done.

[Prolet]

SOM, I like the way you are thinking, forget mameto nivno i was just voicing my anger but you are right new and fresh ideas need to be given.

I think the Torbeshi play a big part in solving the Albanian issue, aswell as our other minorities especially those of Islamic origin.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The Torbeshi aren't a minority Prolet, nor should they be considered one. They are Macedonians and as such, should be afforded the same courtesy as all other Macedonians.

The rest who are citizens of Macedonia and of the Islamic faith, need to be encouraged to keep their own ethnicities and cultures in the face of ethnic Albanian aggression.

[Prolet]

SOM, There is a push to make the Torbeshi a separate minority, did you hear Metodija's answer when he was asked about Torbeshi?? This is why the Albanians are trying to Albanize them, especially in the western region, the Torbeshi are our major representatives in Debarsko and we need to support them.

The Gorani are Macedonians aswell, they are in Kosovo,Albania and Macedonia so we have to reach out to them too.

[Big Bad Sven]

Funny things are happening in Macedonia.

We are more then happy to build statues of "famous" albanians in the redevelopment of skopje in 2014, and we dont say a peep when the shiptars build a statue of Skanderbeg in Skopje, Tetovo and Debar and god knows where, and allow the shiptars to build a a "museum" dedicated to the shiptar "freedom fighters" of 2001 YET at the same time their is a considerable amount of macedonians who are against the idea of building statues of macedonian heroes.

We live in some interesting times.....

[Big Bad Sven]

SOM, There is a push to make the Torbeshi a separate minority, did you hear Metodija's answer when he was asked about Torbeshi?? This is why the Albanians are trying to Albanize them, especially in the western region, the Torbeshi are our major representatives in Debarsko and we need to support them.

The Gorani are Macedonians aswell, they are in Kosovo,Albania and Macedonia so we have to reach out to them too.

Its no secret that out of the "25%" of the "albanian" population in macedonia, 5% of the "albanians" are actually torbeshi and to a lesser extent roma or turks.

We need to lend a hand to the torbeshi and and embrace them as our people. Perhaps a good first step in doing this is to stop calling them torbeshi and just as macedonians?

Getting the macedonians of the muslim faith on our side is a vital key in getting some stronger control in western macedonia and also winning against the shiptar problem.

What we are witnessing is the extermination of a interesting and unexplored part of the macedonian history,culture and language. The real sad and ironic thing here is that this is not happening in one of the racist neighbouring countries, but shamefully in the republic of macedonia. The macedonians government must try to save the "torbeshi"

Macedonians of the christian faith need to make the first step, as we are sadly the ones who caused the rift - however the torbeshi need to be a bit brave and perhaps less greedy and stand up and be counted as macedonains. Otherwise they are no better then the grkomans, srbomans and bugaromans.

[Bill77]

Skopje and Athens in Monument(al) Race

After the Macedonian Government had announced the building of a large monument of Alexander the Great in downtown Skopje, Greek daily Proto Thema has announced a political figure in Athens is working around the clock to 'beat' Skopje and place a monument before the Macedonians.

MINA's sources claim Alexander's monument is already built and shipped via Firenza and is located in Skopje, awaiting modifications around the downtown plateau; rerouting water pipes for the large fountain.

Proto Thema claims the monument in Athens is financed by the leader of ultra radical and anti semitic party LAOS Georgios Karatzaferis who in 2006 gave the Hitler salute during a LAOS convention in Salonica.

The Karatzaferis' funded monument is said to be 6 meters tall, depicting the ancient Macedonian leader on a horse. What is odd concerning Alexander's monument in Greece is that Historians and Archeologists have strongly protested the erection of a monument of Alexander the Great. Their reasoning was that he was a 'foreigner' who invaded the area (Athens, Sparta...).

Athens is said to posses a monument of Alexander, however the Greek Archeological lobby has blocked his placement in Athens for more than 20 years.

Numerous Macedonian Governments had planned erecting a monument of Alexander the Great. As irony would have it, it was the SDSM, Macedonian political party known for their closeness to Greece's leadership who first approved the plans for a monument in 2003. Local architects Kristijan Jordanov, Ana Damevska and Gordana Mitrovic came up with the design, for which they won 1,000 euros.

The current Macedonian Government is following up on the plans from 2003, however, because the current Prime Minister is the first Macedonian political figure to stand up to Greek bullying, it is viewed as a 'provocation' by Athens. This monument is said to be 22 meters in height.

Other monuments in Skopje will follow: those of Goce Delchev, Czar Samuel, Pitu Guli etc.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/13457/46/

[Bill77]

After the Macedonian Government had announced the building of a large monument of Alexander the Great in downtown Skopje, Greek daily Proto Thema has announced a political figure in Athens is working around the clock to 'beat' Skopje and place a monument before the Macedonians.

lol bloody imbeciles. Like little kids.

The Karatzaferis' funded monument is said to be 6 meters tall, depicting the ancient Macedonian leader on a horse. What is odd concerning Alexander's monument in Greece is that Historians and Archeologists have strongly protested the erection of a monument of Alexander the Great. Their reasoning was that he was a 'foreigner' who invaded the area (Athens, Sparta...).

Yep again, imbecile, this time i specificly direct it to Karatzaferis. i've said it before, Its as wrong as jews putting a statue of Hitler in the middle of Poland

[fyrOM]

Great laugh Bill77. Wasn’t he supposed to be a unifier that’s why the Greeks want him.

[Bill77]

Great laugh Bill77. Wasn’t he supposed to be a unifier that’s why the Greeks want him.

A 'foreigner' and invader acording to their own and the rest of the worlds Historians and Archeologists.

[julie]

LMAO and now they are saying he was Greek....bunch of fruit cakes

[Onur]

Proto Thema claims the monument in Athens is financed by the leader of ultra radical and anti semitic party LAOS Georgios Karatzaferis who in 2006 gave the Hitler salute during a LAOS convention in Salonica.

I think i will never be able to understand this Greek mentality.

First of all, it says that he is the leader of ultra radical and anti-semitic party leader but FFS, even his name is Turkish!

Probably that "Kara-zafer" was his grandfathers name. The male name "Zafer" is still quite popular in Turkey today. Also he has "-is" suffix in his name, this means he is probably one of Turkish "Karamanlides" people.

I really don't know how come Greece managed to convert them as Pro-Greek racists. Maybe being extreme Pro-Greek was their counter reaction to name-calling to them as "Turkosporo" for 30 years and forbid speaking Turkish in Greece.

They live in a lie and probably "Karazafer"`s grandfather would spit on his face if he would still be alive because his people was cooperating along with Ataturk to throw Greek soldiers out of Turkey at 1919.

[Babazuba]

monuments

After the Macedonian Government had announced the building of a large monument of Alexander the Great in downtown Skopje, Greek daily Proto Thema has announced a political figure in Athens is working around the clock to 'beat' Skopje and place a monument before the Macedonians.

MINA's sources claim Alexander's monument is already built and shipped via Firenza and is located in Skopje, awaiting modifications around the downtown plateau; rerouting water pipes for the large fountain.

Proto Thema claims the monument in Athens is financed by the leader of ultra radical and anti semitic party LAOS Georgios Karatzaferis who in 2006 gave the Hitler salute during a LAOS convention in Salonica.

The Karatzaferis' funded monument is said to be 6 meters tall, depicting the ancient Macedonian leader on a horse. What is odd concerning Alexander's monument in Greece is that Historians and Archeologists have strongly protested the erection of a monument of Alexander the Great. Their reasoning was that he was a 'foreigner' who invaded the area (Athens, Sparta...).

Athens is said to posses a monument of Alexander, however the Greek Archeological lobby has blocked his placement in Athens for more than 20 years.

Numerous Macedonian Governments had planned erecting a monument of Alexander the Great. As irony would have it, it was the SDSM, Macedonian political party known for their closeness to Greece's leadership who first approved the plans for a monument in 2003. Local architects Kristijan Jordanov, Ana Damevska and Gordana Mitrovic came up with the design, for which they won 1,000 euros.

The current Macedonian Government is following up on the plans from 2003, however, because the current Prime Minister is the first Macedonian political figure to stand up to Greek bullying, it is viewed as a 'provocation' by Athens. This monument is said to be 22 meters in height.

Other monuments in Skopje will follow: those of Goce Delchev, Czar Samuel, Pitu Guli etc.
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/13457/46/

May I sugest as an artist, all those monuments to Macedonian history
should bring all Macedonians togather.
But as an artist, I have an idea.
Please don't think me disrespectfule, but the historic monuments
should be the pride and joy, expressed as a long wide road,
starting from Prohor Pchinski, cuting though Skopje, and going straith
through Macedonia all the way to Gevgelija, gasping unfinished
towaeds Solun. I think only as an artist. Please don't think me cruel.
I know our people suffer, but when was it that Macedonians did not suffered? On each side of the road, will stand a herow or person of
historic achiver , as well as artists of all cinde, doctors ,philosophers
sprincled every so often with coffee shops.
Encircled by forest of tall trees and bubling brucks.
With picturesk surraundings and very importans "rest areas"
A delight for turists and healing experionce to our hearts.
OK, you can start laughing now.

[Daskalot]

Babazuba, what is this 'garbage' you post? No disrespect but how old are you?