Prilep observes 9th anniversary from karpalak attack

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  • Bill77
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 4545

    Prilep observes 9th anniversary from karpalak attack

    This deserves to be in the History section. It should never be forgotten. We might be reminded of them Once a year, but there poor family will have to live with it every second, every day for the rest of their lives.


    PRILEP OBSERVES 9TH ANNIVERSARY FROM KARPALAK ATTACK


    Prilep, 8 August 2010 (MIA) - The 9th anniversary of Karpalak attack which claimed the lives of 10 army reservists has been observed Sunday in front of the monument in Prilep downtown.

    On August 8, 2001, Prilep convoy made up of five vehicles and 120 reservists was ambushed near Karpalak. Nane Naumovski, Saso Kitanoski, Branko Sekuloski, Goran Minoski, Marko Despotoski, Erdovan Sabanoski, Ljube Grujoski, Darko Veljanoski, Pece Sekuloski and Vebi Rusidoski, all ARM reservists, lost their lives in the attack.

    Family members, Defence Ministry, President of the state, Prime Minister and ARM General Staff officials, associations of defenders, political parties laid fresh flowers and wreaths in front of the monument.

    Government delegation was led by Deputy PM for EU Affairs Vasko Naumovski and Deputy Defence Minister Emil Dimitriev.

    - Since 1903 and National Liberation War marking the anniversaries Prilep gave its victims as well in 2001 in defending the sovereignty, integrity and freedom of Macedonia. Coward attack of the terrorists at Karpalak who had no courage to face to face with our defenders, might succeeded in seizing them from their families but not the memory about them, Naumovski said.

    Prilep mayor Marjan Risteski said that after nine years, Prilep requests perpetrators of the massacre to be found and punished, announcing the start of construction of symbolical commemorative site with ten 15 meter high pillars, fountain, benches, parking lot in remembrance of the defenders.

    By laying fresh flowers at the monument in "Mirce Acev" barracks in Prilep, the closest relatives, delegations of the municipality and "Karpalak" association and reservists from 2001 events Saturday started the observance of the 9th anniversary of Karpalak attack.
    The 9th anniversary of Karpalak attack which claimed the lives of 10 army reservists has been observed Sunday in front of the monument in Prilep downtown.On August 8, 2001, Prilep convoy made up of five vehicles and 120




    Epirot.....i will ask you this, can you now see why we feel the way we do against the Ethnic Albanians in Macedonia. And do you blame us?
    http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873
  • Bill77
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 4545

    #2
    Vlado Bučkovski was defense minister at that time in the wide coalition Government (from May 2001 to November 2001).

    During my visit to ROM few years back, there was much talk of while these reservists were under attack, they phoned for aerial support that did not arrive for a while. Some time after this incident, Buckovski was questioned why he delayed the orders to send support. He replied that he initially feared of any future war crimes interrogation.

    I can't corroborate on this. I can only say that a number of people mentioned this and infact there was a talk back show on television at the time i was there, where a special guest also brought it up. It could have been all politics at the time and bullshit, but if there is any truth to it, he should be indicted for man slaughter or treason and set a precedent for any other future authority that decides to put his own personal interest in front of the state.
    http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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    • Soldier of Macedon
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 13670

      #3
      When I was in Macedonia during the mid 2000's, I saw Buchkovski being air-lifted by a helicopter from his residence, because he was being attacked for his treachery by an angry mob of Macedonians. I think they set the place on fire. He was still in his position in office at the time.

      Neka mu e vechna slava na padnatite, Macedonians will never forget this attack on our state and people.
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • Bill77
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 4545

        #4
        This is what i just found regarding this incident.

        What really happened at Karpalak

        Saturday, 08 August 2009


        Eight years passed since the Karpalak massacre in which 10 Macedonian reservists were killed by Albanian terrorists. Eight years have gone by and the public is still under the impression that there had been technical undoings that contributed to this disaster, says Janko Bachev, president of the Public Movement of Macedonia at today's press conference in Karpalak.

        "Things are not what they seem to be and our citizens must know the truth. The Karpalak disaster is planned, constructed few days before the signing of the so called Framework Agreement in order to remove all hesitations and unwillingness demonstrated by the public during the 'talks'.
        During the fighting we had a Government of both VMRO-DPMNE and SDSM, in which the police was controlled by VMRO, while the Ministry of Defense by the SDSM. Both of these fractions (Army and Police) at times were so uncoordinated that they appeared to be at war with each other.

        The killing of three policemen in Aracinovo, Karpalak and Vejce are all crimes committed against Macedonian soldiers and policemen where they were purposely sacrificed to be ambushed." says Bachev.
        "In the begining of July 2001, whole forty days before the Karpalak incident the Macedonian secret police had documents and information on 15 armed Albanians with names, age, in some case even photos of digging in around Karpalak. Our police infiltrated this group to such an extent that we sent a team to investigate the holes which were vacant during the night.

        We knew everything about these people. Our police identified everyone in the group and with ease we were able to tell that most of the Albanian terrorists were narco addicts with previous criminal history.

        The Police gave this information to the Ministry of Defense who for 40 days did nothing. The MoD could have sent a helicopter, a small elite team that would have wiped out this small terror group within a second, or even arrest the terror group at their homes. Not just that nothing was done, but the Ministry of Defense ordered the removal of a Skopje-Tetovo army checkpoint, near Karpalak, "says Bachev.

        After the attack, the Macedonian reservists were left alone, the Ministry of Defense did not send help, even though the Army could have sent a gunship from Petrovac airport which needed only a 5 minute air time to reach Karpalak.
        The Army, to make sure there are no survivors, sent a gunship full 60 minutes after the ambush." says Bachev.


        "At the court hearing when Macedonian reservists sued the Government, I offered to be an expert witness where we can pin point which of the Government officials needs to stand trial, however one of the Attorneys refused my participation.
        People need to know what happen and that this was all planned", concluded Bachev.






        Oh my god, i am stunned.
        SOM, according to this, what i was hearing out on the streets might have some truth to it. And i wander why you would have seen him air lifted while his house was burning.

        He is a f@##!N dog........No, hang on, Dogs are loyal. There is nothing in this world bad enough to describe him. Krasta da go izedi.
        Last edited by Bill77; 08-10-2010, 01:18 AM.
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        • MKPrilep
          Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 284

          #5
          you know what, it is a shame for macedoina to set up such a small
          memorial tablet in prilep for men who gave their lives to defend macedonia and on the other hand the terrorists are allowed to build huge statues for UCK-terrorists in our county.

          Please show me one country in the world where this is allowed.
          Not enough, every year the albanians destroy a memorial table
          at the place where the soldiers lost their life.
          why we allow that? where is the army, the police or anything to
          give these people a shot in the head.

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          • Bill77
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 4545

            #6
            Originally posted by MKPrilep View Post
            you know what, it is a shame for macedoina to set up such a small
            memorial tablet in prilep for men who gave their lives to defend macedonia and on the other hand the terrorists are allowed to build huge statues for UCK-terrorists in our county.

            Please show me one country in the world where this is allowed.
            Not enough, every year the albanians destroy a memorial table
            at the place where the soldiers lost their life.
            why we allow that? where is the army, the police or anything to
            give these people a shot in the head.
            MKPrilep,
            I agree its disgusting. This is the sort of thing we have to put up with the so called "Friends of ours" who we should not treat as enemies.

            MKPrilep, do you currently reside in Priliep? if so, did you personally know any of these fallen.
            http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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            • MKPrilep
              Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 284

              #7
              @ Bill77

              I live in germany, but my wife who lived in Prilep knows
              one of the killed. yesterday we talked about this.
              the fallen has a twin brother. the whole family is traumatized.

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              • Bill77
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 4545

                #8
                MKPrilep,

                What makes it worse is the fact our own government at the time are partly to blame. Be it fact or fiction, when these family members here stories and accusations such as,

                They were purposely sacrificed to be ambushed.

                The ambush was planned, constructed few days before the signing of the so called Framework Agreement in order to remove all hesitations and unwillingness demonstrated by the public during the 'talks'.

                The secret police knew something was up 40 days before this incident and yet the Minister of defense did nothing about it, infact he ordered the removal of a Skopje-Tetovo army checkpoint, near Karpalak

                And what should have taken 5 minutes, took 1h for the aerial support to arrive would make family think what if that helicopter arrived 55 minutes earlier would there loved one still be with them.

                All this would be gut wrenching for these poor people.
                http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                • MKPrilep
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 284

                  #9
                  take a look at this pictures and then tell me how macedonia
                  can allow this

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                  • TrueMacedonian
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 3810

                    #10
                    Everyone should read this if they want to get a glimpse of what was really happening in Macedonia in 2001 - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=1652
                    Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                    • TrueMacedonian
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 3810

                      #11
                      Check this out - http://www.antiwar.com/orig/galland.php?articleid=3532

                      Macedonia's Underhanded Dissolution
                      by J. David Galland
                      August 17, 2001

                      The world may believe that the carefully staged, orchestrated, and subdued signing of the "Made in America" Ohrid framework document translates into peace in Macedonia, the latest Balkan boiling pot. It, however, does not. It will not provide any measurable change to the status quo, except for one thing: NATO soldiers have now, legally, shoehorned themselves into Macedonia.

                      This is the "endgame" of this whole NATO-contrived maelstrom of confusion and death. Now, the capitulation and the "buying-out" of the Macedonian marionette, President Boris Trajkovski, can turn Macedonia into a NATO protectorate, completely controlled by NATO – just like Bosnia and Kosovo. NATO has finally achieved the goal of its long-contrived secret agenda.

                      The United States, Great Britain, and the other, less significant members of NATO, have created, hired, trained, armed, coached, and directed the "so-called" Albanian Rebel Force. Until only a short time ago, many of the Albanian rebels were on NATO's payroll in Kosovo, where they were the benefactors of "hands-on" training provided by American Green Berets and their British counterparts.

                      They were provided weapons, mostly American-made, and the latest night vision devices. They were under the pedagogical tutelage of the Special Forces Soldiers. From them they could learn small unit infantry, and unconventional force, operations. Their initial missions were to kill and maim as many Serb soldiers as possible, after the May 1999 NATO bombing campaign, and to remove Slobodan Milosevic from his former position. However, this Albanian force slowly but surely got out of the control of their ultimate handlers, the CIA. Suddenly a rogue military force, which financed its "sidebar" activities with complicated and efficient criminal endeavours, was running loose. Damage control was the tall order that NATO faced.

                      In the past six months, the basically tranquil Macedonian countryside has turned into a free-fire zone. Continually, NATO has pleaded, persuaded, threatened, and bribed the Macedonian government, and its military, into dancing to their tune. NATO clearly did not want their rogue army of CIA mercenaries to be shot up, captured, or killed to the point of their own capitulation. This is why the United States, through a well-known government contractor, has run an off-line operation providing trainers and advisers, amongst the ranks of the Albanian Rebels.

                      Almost all of these "trainers" are former U.S. military officers, who were simply hired, or transferred on paper, to go to work as contractors, and do what American soldiers ought not be doing, because it is illegal. I would be very interested in knowing how many US soldiers are running around Macedonia, serving in "Classified Assignments", or with CIA fabricated identity documents and registered "Cover" and "Pen" names.

                      If one believes that American infantrymen suddenly showed up to escort four-hundred Albanian Rebels out of harm's way in air conditioned busses last month, just to be nice, then I have some beach front property in Abilene, Kansas for sale. At that fiasco, there were seventeen American advisers and trainers. They were in-ranks with the group of Albanian Rebels. NATO had to secure plausible deniability by rescuing the entire force of Albanians, and their mentors – without disarming them, I may add.

                      The peace papers that were signed on Monday are virtually worthless. They spell the eventual disabling of Macedonia's foundering security forces. At the same time, NATO Special Forces soldiers will enter Macedonia, link up with their old friends, and protect them as they throw a few of their weapons into the pot. As well, their territorial seizures and controlled land will be secured intact with the presence of NATO.

                      If, however, in the meantime, Macedonia offers a protest or a whimper that they are not satisfied with the complexion of the "so-called" peace implementation, then the US mediator, James Pardew, will likely come back and remind Trajkovski just who is calling the shots in this comic opera of NATO deceit, and where the money comes from.

                      It was Pardew's mandate to employ manipulation and intimidation, while holding the sword of Damocles over Macedonia's head, in the form of promising to do nothing about the Albanian Rebels. Do nothing, that is, if Macedonian negotiators did not do exactly what NATO demanded, capitulate! Now, it is too late. The Macedonian government has basically relinquished all its jurisdictions and national autonomy to NATO. Macedonia does not govern Macedonia any more.

                      NATO's military forces, the common soldiers, have been deluded into believing that they are spreading peace and democracy. It is what they are doing and by what means they employ and further their goals, which the free world ought not accept: lies and a pattern of enormous dishonesty. All the while, they are tripping over themselves to congratulate their NATO colleagues and partners in crime – and they are gloating about having pulled the wool over the world's eyes, again.

                      As Featured In: Bound & Overwatch - The Military Observer and PRAVDA News.
                      Last edited by TrueMacedonian; 08-11-2010, 03:26 PM.
                      Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                      • George S.
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 10116

                        #12
                        Whehen i heard that 10 Macedonian Soldiers were ambushed & massacred.I thought why,it's not war.I soon learn;t that it's by albanian terrorists who made sure that even the wounded were killed with a bullet to the head.In 2006 i went to Macedonia & one of the drivers said this is the strech of road where these men were killed.It was so chilling & he said it was a big let down by our government not doing anything to catch those responsible.The government will never be forgotten that it has done nothing.
                        Last edited by George S.; 08-11-2010, 04:30 PM. Reason: edit
                        "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                        GOTSE DELCEV

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