Proto-Slavic in Homer's Works

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  • Liberator of Makedonija
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 1595

    #46
    Greek scientific publication from Athens 1907 on the potential presence of Macedonian features in ancient Homeric.

    I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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    • Risto the Great
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 15658

      #47
      That would be interesting!
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      • Carlin
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3332

        #48
        Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
        Greek scientific publication from Athens 1907 on the potential presence of Macedonian features in ancient Homeric.

        Even though potential presence of Macedonian features might have been discussed in this publication - sadly - it was not "scientific" in nature or objective.

        The publication was written by Konstantinos Tsioulkas, in 1907, and is titled "Contributions to the bilingualism of the Macedonians through a comparison of the Slav-seeming Macedonian language with Greek". Tsioulkas was born in Gorenci (after 1919 renamed to Korisos). According to Tsioulkas:

        - The goal of the book was to show how the so-called Bulgarian language in Macedonia was in reality a Greek, and not a Slavic language;
        - Tsioulkas did not attempt to demonstrate and prove that this language was not "Macedonian", but to show that it was not Bulgarian.

        Tsioulkas is arguing and "proving" that the Slavophone Macedonians are Greeks since their language is Greek in a genetic sense, and origin. Tsioulkas states:

        "The modern so-called Slav-seeming Macedonian is in fact Macedonian and the sister of Greek, and consequently the Macedonian people is autochthonous and of genuine Macedonian blood".

        More on this here (Peter Mackridge):
        Throughout the 20th century, Greek linguists, historians and ethnologists have attempted to demonstrate that speakers of Aromanian, Albanian and Slavic languages who live in lands that are claimed to be Greek are essentially Hellenes. I focus on the


        According to Mackridge "most of the inhabitants of Gorenci were native speakers of Macedonian".

        Link to the pdf:
        Last edited by Carlin; 11-07-2019, 12:16 AM.

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        • Gocka
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2012
          • 2306

          #49
          The way I see it if the baboon managed to prove what he intended to prove, all it would actually confirm is that Macedonians are native to the region even in their current shape and form. Couple that with the fact that we know the ancient Macedonians differentiated themselves from Greeks, and we have a one two punch.

          So Macedonians were similar to Greeks, big deal, why wouldn't they have been similar. I welcome that comparison, It only proves we have roots in the region and that we are not just a bunch slavs form the north.

          Imagine if that theory caught on with Greek nationalists? We would be ancient Grik speakers.

          Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
          Even though potential presence of Macedonian features might have been discussed in this publication - sadly - it was not "scientific" in nature or objective.

          The publication was written by Konstantinos Tsioulkas, in 1907, and is titled "Contributions to the bilingualism of the Macedonians through a comparison of the Slav-seeming Macedonian language with Greek". Tsioulkas was born in Gorenci (after 1919 renamed to Korisos). According to Tsioulkas:

          - The goal of the book was to show how the so-called Bulgarian language in Macedonia was in reality a Greek, and not a Slavic language;
          - Tsioulkas did not attempt to demonstrate and prove that this language was not "Macedonian", but to show that it was not Bulgarian.

          Tsioulkas is arguing and "proving" that the Slavophone Macedonians are Greeks since their language is Greek in a genetic sense, and origin. Tsioulkas states:

          "The modern so-called Slav-seeming Macedonian is in fact Macedonian and the sister of Greek, and consequently the Macedonian people is autochthonous and of genuine Macedonian blood".

          More on this here (Peter Mackridge):
          Throughout the 20th century, Greek linguists, historians and ethnologists have attempted to demonstrate that speakers of Aromanian, Albanian and Slavic languages who live in lands that are claimed to be Greek are essentially Hellenes. I focus on the


          According to Mackridge "most of the inhabitants of Gorenci were native speakers of Macedonian".

          Link to the pdf:
          https://anemi.lib.uoc.gr/php/pdf_pag...pagenobottom=3

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          • Risto the Great
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 15658

            #50


            Risto the Great
            MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
            "Holding my breath for the revolution."

            Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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            • Amphipolis
              Banned
              • Aug 2014
              • 1328

              #51
              The columns of Homeric, English and especially Modern Greek are all wrong.
              A full lexicon of Homeric words can be found here. You will have a hard time to find most of the words of the above list.

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                #52
                You don't think modern versions are good?

                I found that link you sent, it looks extremely comprehensive. My random samples didn't get anything close to what is above. Would have been great to see the original source documents in addition to all of that though.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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