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Old 05-26-2016, 02:39 PM   #1
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Default People used for Byzantium the words «Romania» or «Armania»

THE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY ARMANIA (ROMANIA).

Sources/links are provided and listed below – in case people think I conjured it up.

This brief but rather stunning statement and find summarizes and lets us know the following simple truths:
- The (bilingual) Armani-Vlachs formed the ethnic nucleus and majority in all Greek lands.
- The Greeks, referenced in the statement, are simply Armani (Vlachs = Romaioi) who indeed called their country Armania (or Romania).
- The Armani-Vlachs, or more accurately a small segment of its population (namely, the Elite – in all aspects of society) spoke Greek in addition to Vlachika, long before the arrival of the Ottoman Turks. They were bilingual.
- Modern Greeks = Armani (Vlachs) = Romaioi
- Byzantium was called Armania.

THE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY ARMANIA.









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<<οι Έλληνες ονομάζουν τη χώρα τους Αρμανία (Ρωμανία)>>

http://vlahofonoi.blogspot.ca/2015/0...ns-vlachs.html

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=...CE%AF%CE%B1%29

http://vlahoi-armanoivlahoi.blogspot.ca/

http://vlahofonoi.blogspot.ca/2012/09/blog-post_29.html
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THE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY ARMANIA (ROMANIA).
Uh, no they didn’t. There are thousands or million documents per century and I’m not aware of any source suggesting something like that, regardless to which period you refer to between 4th-15th Century AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzant...e#Nomenclature

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Sources/links are provided and listed below – in case people think I conjured it up.
But, you DID conjure it up, or you’re unable to evaluate them.

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This brief but rather stunning statement and find summarizes and lets us know the following simple truths:
The (bilingual) Armani-Vlachs formed the ethnic nucleus and majority in all Greek lands.
Vlachs have been an insignificant minority in the Greek lands. They DO form the majority at certain areas and periods. More is known on the more recent wave of Vlachs, which arrived in Greece during the Ottoman Empire. These have been mostly nomads that eventually settled down. Meanwhile, the earlier waves (from the Middle Age) that may have differed in character had vanished (being assimilated among the Greek/Roman people).

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The Greeks, referenced in the statement, are simply Armani (Vlachs = Romaioi) who indeed called their country
Armania (or Romania).
Which statement is that? YOUR statement? So, who called their country Armania? The Greeks or the Vlachs?

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The Armani-Vlachs, or more accurately a small segment of its population (namely, the Elite – in all aspects of society) spoke Greek in addition to Vlachika, long before the arrival of the Ottoman Turks. They were bilingual.
Being nomads (mostly shepherds but also merchants) who travelled throughout the Balkans, the Vlachs would have to learn all the local languages.

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Modern Greeks = Armani (Vlachs) = Romaioi
Pardon? I… am Vlach? I didn’t know that.

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Byzantium was called Armania.
It was called many names, e.g. Romania (spelled and pronounced slightly differently that the modern country of Romania, but basically meaning the same thing, land/country of Romans), but I’ve never heard of Armania

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THE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY ARMANIA.

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This author refers to the Greeks of Roman Empire (not the Vlachs) and says the info comes from Alexander Vasiliev and Zakynthinos. The problem is that these are both historians from 1890s-1950s. Did they really say so? Do they have a source?

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What is this? And what does it say? Please, provide the name of author, title of book and an accurate translation of at least 3-4 lines, not just a phrase.

Armania, Aromania, Romania ARE practically synonyms. The problem is that Armania was not used by Greeks, probably not by Vlachs either.


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<<οι Έλληνες ονομάζουν τη χώρα τους Αρμανία (Ρωμανία)>>

http://vlahofonoi.blogspot.ca/2015/0...ns-vlachs.html
This link contains the phrase

Both first-medieval Aromanians/Vlachs and Greek-speaking inhabitants of the Eastern Roman Empire, Byzantium, were Roman citizens. Besides, it should be noted that people used for Byzantium the words ‘Ρωμανία’ «Romania» or ‘Αρμανία’ «Armania».

I’m not sure about the last part and it’s not clear to whom he refers to.

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As you can see from your google search the name Armania is unknown in Greek.

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This is very extended and mentions Vasiliev again. It also mentions a source where Ρωμανία is spelled Ρουμανία (as the modern country of Romania)

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This one mentions again Vasiliev and Zakynthinos.



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Old 06-13-2016, 10:08 AM   #3
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Ellada = ROUMANIA, in the year 1059 -


"THE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY ARMANIA" -


Source: Page 70 of the book ΟΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΟΒΛΑΧΟΙ (ΑΡΜΑΝΟΙ) (ΠΡΩΤΟΣ ΤΟΜΟΣ), by ΕΞΑΡΧΟΣ ΓΙΩΡΓΗΣ (Exarchos Giorgis).

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Old 06-15-2016, 06:09 AM   #4
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Ellada = ROUMANIA, in the year 1059 -


"THE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY ARMANIA" -


Source: Page 70 of the book ΟΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΟΒΛΑΧΟΙ (ΑΡΜΑΝΟΙ) (ΠΡΩΤΟΣ ΤΟΜΟΣ), by ΕΞΑΡΧΟΣ ΓΙΩΡΓΗΣ (Exarchos Giorgis).

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Regarding the first part, the Chronicle of Galaxeidi can be found on-line.
One can read the whole paragraph. It’s not very credible, it doesn't make much sense, but anyway, what is the point exactly? The phrase refers to 1000 AD after it mentions an area was conquered by man-eating fierce pirates from the West.

Note: This Chronicle was allegedly written in mid 1700s, found and published in mid 1800s.

http://www.mikrosapoplous.gr/extracts/galakseidi.html

The second part AGAIN refers to the same ONE author (Vasiliev) who (the book says) has written sources (which we haven't seen yet).
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Regarding the first part, the Chronicle of Galaxeidi can be found on-line.
One can read the whole paragraph. It’s not very credible, it doesn't make much sense, but anyway, what is the point exactly? The phrase refers to 1000 AD after it mentions an area was conquered by man-eating fierce pirates from the West.

Note: This Chronicle was allegedly written in mid 1700s, found and published in mid 1800s.

http://www.mikrosapoplous.gr/extracts/galakseidi.html

The second part AGAIN refers to the same ONE author (Vasiliev) who (the book says) has written sources (which we haven't seen yet).
Source(s)? I have already posted an independent source in my original post (which is in French). (What are you looking for?)

Here are the Google Book search results/hits, where it's clearly shown that THE GREEKS CALL THEIR COUNTRY ARMANIA.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...+grecs+armania

https://books.google.ca/books?id=lpZ...rmania&f=false

https://books.google.ca/books?id=J80...rmania&f=false

https://books.google.ca/books?id=tC9...rmania&f=false

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Default Romanian was used for communication in Byzantine Empire (more than Greek language)

Read it all not just the underlines.


https://books.google.com/books?id=88...empire&f=false


More:
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=8523
Search Google Books: Byzantine Empire Romania
Byzantine Empire called Romania
etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire
Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων
Basileía Rhōmaíōna
Imperium Romanum

The terms "Byzantine Empire" and "Byzantine Greeks" were first coined in the English language in 1857 by British historian George Finlay.[1]
Rosser 2011, p. 2: "George Finlay's History of the Byzantine Empire from 716 to 1057, published in 1857, was the first occasion of "Byzantine Empire" being used in a modern historical narrative in English."

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Read it all not just the underlines.
It doesn't look like those two pages are from the same book. With regard to the first page (for which you've provided a link), some of what is written makes sense, the rest of it no so much. Further, the author of this book seems to be some sort of Romanian crackpot theorist, as evidenced by the title of the book and some of the other things he has written which are cited in the below link and text (note: I don't know anything about the blog owner on the link, I am only referring to him because he cites more of the Romanian author's text):

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/ro...st-of-atlantis
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It doesn't look like those two pages are from the same book. With regard to the first page (for which you've provided a link), some of what is written makes sense, the rest of it no so much. Further, the author of this book seems to be some sort of Romanian crackpot theorist, as evidenced by the title of the book and some of the other things he has written which are cited in the below link and text (note: I don't know anything about the blog owner on the link, I am only referring to him because he cites more of the Romanian author's text):

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/ro...st-of-atlantis
Can you remove both of those 2 threads? I am doing a better research to find a more reliable source.
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The title of this thread is interesting, and I have already contributed to this topic in several/different previous threads.

Namely:
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=8523
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=6955
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...hlight=Ausones

In Summary:
- In the middle ages, "Greece" and/or the entirety of what was known as "Byzantium" was called ARMANIA / ROMANIA by its inhabitants. I have provided documented evidence for this.
- Speaking of Byzantium -- the following is my copy and paste:

An epigram in celebration of Porphyrius' role in overthrowing a usurper calls the Constantinopolitans Ausonians. The usage Ausonia = Byzantium became popular in the 12th century ("children of Ausonia" was used to describe contemporary Byzantines). Indeed, it appears certain from the sources that the "Byzantines" regularly called themselves Ausones, which was an ancient name for the original inhabitants of Italy. This was the standard "classicizing" name that the Byzantines used for themselves.

(As always, for the above, I can provide full sources; they are basically from the following authors: Elizabeth A. Fisher, Philip Rousseau, Anthony Kaldellis.)

- Last but not least I have provided ample evidence of many other little known historical and ethnographic facts which can be found throughout the forum threads.

PS: What caught my eye above is the claim that the entire Asia Minor (with some exceptions) spoke the same language as the "Thracians and Scythians". That's rather curious -- I saw many months ago (I forget the source unfortunately) that the shepherds (whatever language they spoke) of Asia Minor, in some pockets/areas of Asia Minor or modern Turkey, used to be called Romana until not long ago.

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Can you remove both of those 2 threads? I am doing a better research to find a more reliable source.
Your other thread was deleted and this one was merged with an earlier one on the same topic created by Carlin.
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