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Old 10-14-2009, 11:52 PM   #11
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I have the book, "Skenderbeg vtor Aleksandar Makedonski" once i read it, i'll let you guys know my findings.
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:05 AM   #12
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Thanks VMRO, who wrote this book, Popovski or someone else?

If you get a chance, please scan and post some of the pages.
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A place of importance for Kastriot was Svetigrad. From what I understand there was a strategic defence about the place. Also when his father John Kastriot died his mother Voisava stayed with his sister Mara in Macedonia.
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Interesting TM, where did you get this information?
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Interesting TM, where did you get this information?
19th century writer Clement Clarke Moore's book on Kastriot. I'll post a few pages a bit later. He calls him a "grecian prince" in his text which is not accurate to say the least. But he does mention that Kastriot "learned Sclavonian". I doubt he only "learned it" and most likely grew up speaking this "Sclavonian".
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Here's the link to Clement Moore's book for more info - http://books.google.com/books?id=nsU...age&q=&f=false
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From George Sphrantzes Chronicle (1401-1477) from the book 'The Fall of the Byzantine Empire' Translated (sometimes wrongly) by Marios Philippidis;

page 87- XLIII

3. While I was in the suburbs of Rome and in the city, the sultan, the lord of the impious, marched against Albania, put its lord, Scanderbeg, to flight, seized and destroyed the territory, and built a fortress near its capital, called Kroya, in order to wage war against him. The sultan then returned to the vicinity of Constantinople.

page 90- XLV

2. In January of the same year [1468], Scanderbeg, the Lord of Albania, died of natural causes; one part of his territories passed into the hands of the Venetian senate; the other part was taken by the son of Scanderbegs sister, who had become a Turk when he was sent to the sultan's court by Scanderbeg.

This is all that Sphrantzes mentions of Kastriot.
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The family of Castriot had its origin in Macedonia, and anciently ruled over Epire with renown.
George Castriot, surnamed Scanderbeg, king of Albania By Clement Clarke Moore page 9.

The book is interesting to say the least. Irregardless of the inconsistancies of Moore and who and what he thinks the inhabitants were. According to him John Kastriot was a "grecian prince" on the same page. Absurd but nonetheless an interesting.
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The book was written in the mid 19th century so it is possible that this westerner is referring to Kastriot as a 'Grecian' in the sense of a ruler of East Christian lands. I am yet to notice any reference to Kastriot as a 'Hellene' (the new ethnonym for the new state in Morea), and I doubt I will in this or any serious book.

Thanks for the link TM.
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His terminology overlaps and needs to be understood properly. Here is a short summary and list of citations from the book.

On pages 10-11 he refers to Kastriot acquiring the Turkish, Arabic, Greek, Italian and Sclavonian languages, which is a contradiction if one takes into consideration his later mention of Kastriot's mother, who was daughter of the noble king of the Tribullians and was named Voislava (written as Voisana by the author).

On page 9 he refers to Kastriot's father as a Grecian prince, and on page 264 he refers to the army of Kastriot as Grecian with a number of Italian horsemen.

On page 168 he refers to the following composition of Kastriot's army:

The Albanians were almost all of them archers; the rest, being Italians and Germans (Almaines), served with arquebuses and cross-bows. There were also some Sclavonians, more skilled in the use of the sword than of the bow; who, upon news of the levy of soldiers, being allured by the hope of plunder, came to serve with the Albanians as volunteers, and without any pay. In those days, people came constantly into Epire from the nations around, to serve under Scanderbeg, who was the only captain perpetually under arms and engaged in war with the Turks.

This indicates that Kastriot's army was cosmopolitan to say the least.

On page 104 Kastriot is referred to as an Albanian prince, on pages 323 and 330 he writes of apparent letters (originally cited by Knolles) from Kastriot and the Sultan, in which the title of Prince of Albinenses and Epirots is used for the former. On page 185 the governor of Kruja called "Uranocontes" is reported to have addressed his men in the Albanian, sometimes in the Italian language, and part of Kastriot's troops are called Albanians on page 186.

On page 84 he speaks of a battle of Kastriot and his Albanian troops against the Venetians who had on their right wing a commander and a chosen guard of Sclavonians. On page 140 he makes mention of a certain "Moses" who carries a Sclavonian sword by his side and is a Dibrian. On page 32 Dibra is cited as the place where the holy city of Sfetigrade is located, a name in the Sclavonian language. There is also the mention of Sfetigradians and Epirots in the geographical sense on page 169. The people of Dibra were not properly Albanians either in name or language, but instead, were Bulgarians or Tribullians, resembling Macedonia in manners, while their habits are rather those of foreigners than of the Epirots, and some of their customs are abhorrent to those of the Albanians, as they retain the ceremonies and superstitions of the Greeks, all cited on page 157. Clearly, the above terminology can be manipulated to suit a number of theories. The below can also fall in that category (from page 327):

.......no true friendship could exist between the Turks and the Epirots, since they were natural enemies to each other; than he should attentatively bear in mind how the Infidel, when secure of not being troubled by the arms of the Albanians, had immediately directed his forces against the Rascians and Tribullians; and, after subduing them, against the Thracians and Illyrians, and when the empire of the Greeks was subverted, had likewise added the territory of Trebisond to his dominions......

Who exactly are the Tribullians, Illyrians and Thracians? It cannot be the Albanians, as the Kastriot-Venetian/Sclavonian battle cited earlier also mentions on page 85 that Scanderbeg, with a body of horse, broke through their battle, and would have cut off all hope of victory from his enemies, had it not been for the Illyrians, who, with their wonted agility, came to the aid of the bodyguard, and enabled them to keep their ground against the Albanians. If the Tribullians are Serbs it goes against what is said on page 53: What do we see of the Greek empire? What of the Bulgarians and Servians?

On page 105 the Sultan speaks of the province of Macedon as being filled with their enemies, and on page 165 Kastriot sent a contingent of soldier to the frontiers of Macedon, to protect the inhabitants of that part of the country from the inroads of the Turks. As mentioned earlier also, on page 9 reference is made to Macedonia as the homeland of Kastriot's ancestry. On page 355 he refers to the princes and people of Epire, Macedonia, Sclavonia and Dalmatia all furnishing troops and assistance to Kastriot.

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There are several more references to Macedonia, when I have time I wil go through some more.
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