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Old 11-05-2010, 03:27 AM   #71
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According to Nekulche, the part of the peace intermediation between the Emperor and Brinkovjan in Ias was done by (komisa)commissioner Macedonian (Makedona).
Vlachian chronologist Radu Grechan points out, that for that purpose Brinkovjan sent Georgi Kastriot to Ias. Russian (istoöniki) also call Georgi Kastriot, in the previous peace proposal by the commission of the Sultan. It is possible that the Turks proposed peace to the Russians without knowledge of Brinkovjan with the sole purpose to test his loyalty. After that we can conclude that he sent Kastriot in Ias under the pseudonym Macedonian (Makedona).

I dont know when Kastriot Skenderbeg lived, I guess this guy can be his son or something, since he did this around 1711, but am not sure either, the book is bit hard to understand.

how ever:

Question rises up with this:

Why would Vlachian and Moldavian Rulers employ Macedonian as commissioner for peace negotiation?

Well in those times, Vlachia and Moldavia were in the Hands of the Christian Merchant Class, the Phanariot.
According to Francisco R. Adrados in his
‘History of the Greek language’ Page 286:
”The Phanariot from Constantinople were holding important Administration and Political offices and ruled Vlachia and Moldavia in the name of the Sltan.”
The same thing is confirmed by C. Hopf in his ‘Language Nationalism in Serbia and Greece’.

The same Phanariot revolted against the Sultan rule in year 1821 in Moldavia.
It is fanny that those same Phanariots whose communications language was Koine due to their Multiple Ethnical background are today claimed by the Neo Greeks.
If that so, than Greeks have more rights to claim Moldavia than Macedonia 
By the way, the Phanariot revolt failed, since the Russian support didn’t followed.

Back to Kastriot. In the light of the fact that the Multiple Ethnic Merchant Class was ruling Vlachia and Moldavia, it is safe to say that Kastriot chose his pseudonym upon his own Ethnic Feeling, and since he was able to communicate with the Russians, he was Slavophone too, Macedonian in deed.
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:44 PM   #72
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Came across the below on another website, not sure of authenticity, if anybody can confirm that would be good:
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A newphew of Skanderbeg (the son of one of his sisters) who had turned Moslem was left behind by the retiring Ottomans to safeguard their interests; he ensconced himself at Cape Rodoni north of Durrės. One night he was attacked from the sea by Venetian ships and overland by Skanderbeg. Taken aboard the captain's ship, he was beheaded by his uncle's own hand. According to a report that reached Venice at the beginning of August, Skanderbeg had by then regained power over all his territories. Mehmed the Conqueror and His Time. Babinger, Franz. ISBN 0-691-01078-1, page 261; The Ottomans on the Adriatic.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:30 PM   #73
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Gjorgija Kastriot - Iskender - the second aleksandar king of MACEDON - YouTube
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:31 PM   #74
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Gjorgija Kastriot - Iskender - Speech of Petar Basheski & Petar Popovski - YouTube
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:28 PM   #75
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A number of scholars have thought his mother as having Slavic origin. Even, we think that her name sounds a bit Slavic, however, it is not sufficient base to make her a Slavic princess. I've read from a historian from Kėrēova (Ilmi Veliu who has digging in Ottoman archives) that Vojasava's father surname was GĖRGUR which a common surname amongst Albanians. 'GUR' in Alb. mean 'Stone'.
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The first works providing information on Voisava's origins are:

Marin Barleti (1450-1513), the Albanian-Venetian historian, wrote in his biography of Skanderbeg (published between 1508-1510), that she was the "daughter of a lord of the Triballians". In another chapter, when talking about the inhabitants of Upper Debar that defended Svetigrad, he calls them "Bulgarians or Triballi". However, the term "Triballians" (Triballoi) appears frequently in Byzantine and other European works of the Middle Ages, referring exclusively to Serbs.

Gjon Muzaka (fl. 1510), an Albanian nobleman of the Muzaka family, alleged in his Muzaka Chronicle (published in 1510) that the "Marquis of Tripalda" was maternally related to the Muzaka. Furthermore, in another chapter, he assigns the "Triballi" to the Serbs.

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Johann Georg von Hahn (1811-1869), Austrian expert in Albanian studies, had several thesis on the geneaology of Voisava in Albanesische Studien (1854), including a possible relation with the Branai family or Vrana Konti.

Karl Hopf (1832-1873), German historian and expert in Byzantine studies, in Chroniques Greco-romanes (1873) concludes that Voisava was daughter of a Serbian lord from Polog.

Fan S. Noli (1882–1965), an Albanian-American writer, in his biography of Skanderbeg (1947), adopted the view that Vojsava came from the Muzaka family.Harry Hodgkinson, too, considers her a member of the Muzaka family, although his work does not provide information from any modern original research.

Strashimir Dimitrov (1892-1960), Bulgarian Academician, says that Vojsava was a daughter of a local Bulgarian boyar from Macedonia.

Boban Petrovski (b. 1972), a modern Macedonian historian, the author of Voisava Tribalda (2006), the only work about Voisava and her possible geneaologies, concludes that Voisava was of Slavic origin, most likely Serb, the daughter of a lord of the "Triballians" in Polog, that ruled before the Ottoman conquest. He has several thesis on the ultimate identity of Voisava's father; "If the Branković family indeed governed Polog in the last decade of the 14th century, it arises the chance that Voisava was a daughter of Kesar Grgur/Grgur Branković or even Vuk Branković".

Oliver Schmitt (b. 1973), professor of South-East European history at Vienna University, in his biography Skanderbeg. Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan (2009) supports that she was Serbian, from the Branković, close relative to Mara Branković.
Grgur is also the slavic form for Gregory and a lot of serbs, croats bear this surname. I think it's 99 % certain that Skanderbeg's mother was of slavic origin.

Is there any source that say if Skanderbeg know how to speak slavic? Also are there others informations about the origins of his father/mother?

And about Vojsava's children :

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Voisava married Gjon Kastrioti, the "Lord of a part of Albania" (dominus partium Albanie). She bore 9 children with Gjon, 4 sons and 5 daughters:

-Stanisha (†1445).
-Reposh, later took monastic vows.
-Konstandin.
-Mara, married to Stefan I Crnojević.
-George - Skanderbeg (1405-1468), Albanian national hero; Ottoman subaşi of Krujė, sanjakbey of Dibra, later organizer of the League of Lezhe, and Napolitan vassal as of 1451.
-Jelena, married Pavle Balšić.
-Mamica Kastrioti, married Musachio Thopia in 1445.
-Angelina, married Vladin Arianites, brother of Gjergj Arianiti.
-Vlajka, married Ghin Musachi, secondly Stefan Strez Balšić with whom she possibly had sons Ivan Strez Balšić and Gojko Balšić.
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Bardhi also published a seventy six-page treatise in Latin on Scanderbeg, entitled Georgius Castriottus Epirensis vulgo Scanderbegh, Epirotarum Princeps fortissimus ac invictissimus suis et Patriae restitutus, Venice 1636 (George Castrioti of Epirus, commonly called Scanderbeg, the very mighty and invincible Prince of Epirus, restored to his people and his country), in which he refuted the assertion of the Bosnian bishop, Tomeus Marnavitius, that the Albanian national hero was of Bosnian origin.
It would be good to find out more information on Tomeus Marnavitius and his works.
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Kosovo envoy: Skanderbeg is not an Albanian hero

Косовски пратеник: Скендербег не е албански херој
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Пратеникот во косовскиот Парламент, Гезим Келменди, го нарече Ѓерѓ Кастриот-Скендербег херој на католиците а не албански национален херој.

Келмедни, како што пренесува весникот „Експрес“ тоа го аргуменирал со фактот дека во 15 век, во времето кога војувал Скендербег, не постоеле нации. - Католиците го имаат својот херој - Скендербег. Во 15 век не постоеле нации и војните биле поради верски прашања, изјавил Келменди во телевизиска емисија.

Тој исто така се сомнева и за потеклото на националниот херој, поради неговата мајка и постоењето многу народи во тоа време во тогашна Албанија и се согласува дека е потребна измена на албанската историја, зашто она што се учело во училиштата не било вистина.

Келменди оценува дека Турција не била окупатор на Албанија, туку само владеела во таа земја и затоа треба да се третира како земја - пријател.
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Old 10-21-2017, 04:20 AM   #78
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Untrue! The author of such statement seems to ignore all Albanian songs preserved in folklore of Arbėresh community, who are Albanian emmigrants settled in Italy after Scanderbeg's death. They have a lots of songs, legends and traditions relating with Gjergj Kastrioti. You cannot say that to them is imposed by Austro-Hungarian and Italian historians.
I will point out that the Arbėresh have never seemed to really consider themselves to be Albanian. They weren't even aware of the linguistic connections until very recently so not sure if this really counts.
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This book everyone seems to mention by a Popovski? Is it available in English? Sounds very interesting.
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Old 04-23-2018, 09:06 PM   #80
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Simeonovski in his book wrote about Skanderbeg being of Slavonic - Miyak extraction.

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