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Old 03-28-2017, 09:45 AM   #11
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Uh, no they didn’t. There are thousands or million documents per century and I’m not aware of any source suggesting something like that, regardless to which period you refer to between 4th-15th Century AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzant...e#Nomenclature


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Both "Byzantine Empire" and "Eastern Roman Empire" are historiographical terms created after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire as the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασιλεία τῶν Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileia tôn Rhōmaiōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum),[2] or Romania (Ῥωμανία), and to themselves as "Romans"
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Old 03-28-2017, 04:11 PM   #12
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The encyclopedia that you linked writes:
Both "Byzantine Empire" and "Eastern Roman Empire" are historiographical terms created after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire as the Roman Empire (Greek: Βασιλεία τῶν Ῥωμαίων, tr. Basileia tôn Rhōmaiōn; Latin: Imperium Romanum),[2] or Romania (Ῥωμανία), and to themselves as "Romans"
My objection was about the term Armania which was/is totally unknown here and was never used as far as I know or found in any document.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:48 PM   #13
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My objection was about the term Armania which was/is totally unknown here and was never used as far as I know or found in any document.
You know better than A. A. Vasiliev and Dionysios Zakynthinos.
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Old 04-02-2017, 01:38 PM   #14
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You know better than A. A. Vasiliev and Dionysios Zakynthinos.
I certainly do, but I wouldn't hurry to blame Vasiliev as we haven't seen his famous phrase or source yet. Did you really believe that a Russian out of nowhere in 1905 would produce an information that is ABOUT Greece and is yet (for some reason) totally unknown in Greece?
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Old 05-28-2017, 01:08 AM   #15
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"Στο εξής χωρίο διηγήσεως περί της Αγίας Σοφίας (18ος αιώνας), το όνομα Ρουμανία ίσως αναφέρεται στην Πελοπόννησο: "τας λοιπάς κολώνας (της Αγ. Σοφίας) έφεραν από τας Κυκλάδας νήσους και χώρας, από την Κύζικον, από την Τρωάδα, από την Κρήτην, από την Ρουμανίαν, από την Σάμον, από την Χίον, από την Κύπρον, από την Ρόδον και απλώς ειπείν από όλα τα νησιά" (A. Delette, Anecdota Atheniensia, τομ. 1, σ. 301)"

"In the following verse on St. Sophia (18th century), the name of Roumania may be mentioned in the Peloponnese: "the other columns (of St. Sophia) brought from the Cycladic islands and country, from Kyzikos, from Troad, from Crete, from Roumania, from Samos, from Chios, from Cyprus, from Rhodes, and simply from all the islands" (A. Delette, Anecdota Atheniensia, vol. 1, p. 301)
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:12 PM   #16
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Οι Έλληνες Βλάχοι αρχικά ονομάζονται Ρωμαίοι, έπειτα δε Ρωμάνοι, που σώζεται με τη μορφή Αρμάνοι, όπως μέχρι σήμερα αυτοαποκαλούνται, και θυμίζει τον όρο 'Αρμανία, εύχρηστο από τούς Έλληνες των βυζαντινών χρόνων για την ονομασία τής χώρας τους, σύμφωνα με την αποκάλυψη τού Ρωσοαμερικανού βυζαντινολόγου Α. Vasiliev.

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The Helleno-Vlachs are initially called Romaioi, then Romanoi, which is preserved in the form of the Armanoi, as they call themselves today, and reminiscent of the term Armania, used by the Hellenes of Byzantine times for the name of their country, according to the revelation of the Russian Byzantinologist A. Vasiliev.
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:09 PM   #17
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Țara Românească or Rumânească was used for Romania:
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%9A...%A2neasc%C4%83
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:11 PM   #18
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Can they provide a single historical document where that term is used for Eastern Roman Empire?
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Old 06-02-2017, 11:00 PM   #19
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Post#16 is not a progress for this thread. This is another anonymous blogger who mentions what Vasiliev wrote. We're still waiting to see Vasiliev's claims, sources or arguments, or... anything actually.

Try to do that, and don't post twenty more links repeating Vasiliev's opinion.

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Can they provide a single historical document where that term is used for Eastern Roman Empire?
Who knows? I can’t find anything in Greece. If not, we have just lost our time again.
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:30 AM   #20
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(More references) URLs -

Internationales Jahrbuch für Geschichtsunterricht, Volumes 7-8
https://books.google.ca/books?id=TYs...=X&redir_esc=y

Grundbegriffe der Geschichte: 50 Beiträge zum europäischen Geschichtsbild
https://books.google.ca/books?id=BJ2...=X&redir_esc=y

" ... die Griechen nennen ihr Land Armania (Romania) ... "


Les prairies d'or, Volume 9, By Masʻūdī - Page 344
https://books.google.ca/books?id=J80...0Grecs&f=false

The source itself (French translation) - Le livre de l'avertissement et de la revision, By Masʻūdī - Page 239
https://books.google.ca/books?id=FF8...0Grecs&f=false

Bottom of page 239: "Les Grecs appellent leur pays Armania (Romania)"

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