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Old 04-05-2018, 08:43 PM   #571
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Cheer up Albo. You can still learn Albanian in Sunday school like everybody else.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:25 PM   #572
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Mmm.. In case anyone missed this..
This is what tax payers money is being spent on in RoM..

This was printed by the " Agency for youth and sport "
A state funded institution spreading pathetic material..

If this isn't state sponsored discrimination then what is?
This seems like another way to create "loyalty" amongst the Albanians in Macedonia!!

Your comment is laughable and pathetic.
In your view I suppose here in Australia as it is a requirement for immigrants to take a/ learn English in order to gain citizenship it is “state sponsored discrimination”.
My first cousin and her husband migrated to Austria two years ago from Macedonia. Guess what? My cousins husband is taking German speaking classes as is my cousin so they can better integrate in Austria.
No one is denying Albanians to speak/ learn their language in Macedonia but in order to integrate it is common sense that they learn Macedonian, as it should be, yet you cry state sponsored discrimination, give Albanians an inch they take a mile and still cry victim
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:34 PM   #573
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Your comment is laughable and pathetic.
In your view I suppose here in Australia as it is a requirement for immigrants to take a/ learn English in order to gain citizenship it is “state sponsored discrimination”.
My first cousin and her husband migrated to Austria two years ago from Macedonia. Guess what? My cousins husband is taking German speaking classes as is my cousin so they can better integrate in Austria.
No one is denying Albanians to speak/ learn their language in Macedonia but in order to integrate it is common sense that they learn Macedonian, as it should be, yet you cry state sponsored discrimination, give Albanians an inch they take a mile and still cry victim
...you're wasting your time pitching this at Albo...he doesn't understand English.
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Old 04-07-2018, 02:59 AM   #574
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The issues isn't about Albanians learning Macedonian.. it never has been an issue..

The issue is the poem on the second page is totally racist and derogatory... and it's tax payer funded!
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:19 PM   #575
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https://euobserver.com/opinion/141530

Opportunity not to be missed in Greece-Macedonia row

The naming dispute between Greece and the Republic of Macedonia that has raged for almost three decades must be resolved.

There are several reasons why the current opportunity, presented by the renewed UN-mediated negotiations between the two countries and encouraged by the US and the EU, should not be missed.

Firstly, Greece's contentions in the dispute are or have become illegitimate.

Greece continues to argue, on the official level, that its major objection is Macedonia's "irredentism".

While it is true that several statements by Macedonian officials, as well as certain provisions in the Macedonian constitution, did justify such a concern in the past, this is no longer the case.

The current government in Macedonia has gone to great lengths to dismantle the so-called 'Antiquisation' programme that was pursued by its predecessor, and has openly repudiated any claim on the history that Greece considers its own heritage.

As for the constitution, it is simply not true that it continues to include irredentist references. On the contrary, after its amendments, it includes an explicit rejection of any claim to foreign territory.

Greece has in substance accepted that its neighbour's "composite name" will include the term "Macedonia".

Therefore, continued insistence on a non-existent "irredentism" serves no purpose except pandering to a nationalistic segment of Greek public opinion.

The same is true about denying the existence of a Macedonian nation. The Macedonian national movement has been documented since the last years of the 19th century, and people that self-identify as ethnic Macedonians have been around for at least as long.

Secondly, Greek policy towards its northern neighbour through the years - including a trade embargo in the 1990s - has been devastating to Macedonia's economy, and continually hinders its chances for stability and prosperity.

Greece has in reality no reason to consider the Republic of Macedonia as a threat.

A country that has only 20 percent of the population of Greece and virtually no military forces cannot reasonably be considered a security concern.

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Continuing to obstruct Macedonia's prospects of development and international relations is simply a re-channeling of other threats and humiliations (for example, dissatisfaction with EU-imposed austerity or concern over the deteriorating relationship with Turkey) into a conflict with a weaker adversary that Greece feels it has the power to bully with impunity.

This is immoral.

Thirdly, the current government of the Republic of Macedonia has come to power through a process of public involvement and through the disillusionment of a large part of the voters with the extreme nationalist policies of the past.

A failure in the negotiations now will be a severe blow to the momentum that more moderate and more democratic policies currently enjoy.

And it is not just international relations that will suffer as a result. The internal progressive policies with regard to civil and minority rights, that this government was elected to promote, will also be endangered. Greece has no reason, as a democratic country, to wish for that to happen.

It is true that the main thrust behind the restart of the negotiations now has not been the desire of either Greece or Macedonia to correct past mistakes, but rather the on-going project of NATO consolidation in the Western Balkans.

It started with the admission of Slovenia into the alliance, and continued with Albania and Croatia, and finally with Montenegro. Macedonia has long endeavoured to be admitted to NATO, and it seems that this is now the next step, provided that Greece lifts its objections, which it will only do if the naming dispute is resolved.

It is no secret that this euro-Atlantic policy is pursued with some urgency in the face of deteriorating relations between the West and Russia, as well as increasing Chinese economic expansion.

This is also reflected in the European Commission's determination to integrate the Western Balkans into the Union by 2025. Greece has aligned itself with these policies.

Some argue that small countries have no reason to get involved in the grand designs of major powers, and that an entanglement with NATO's anti-Russian preparations brings the threat of war closer, rather than ensure security.

While this can be a legitimate discussion - particularly considering the track record of past Nato intervention - it should be disconnected from the issue of the naming dispute with Macedonia.

Nato has its reasons for encouraging a resolution, but Greece should have its own reasons, which I briefly set out here, for ending the dispute.

An insistence on discussing the issue under the weight of concerns about Nato policy leads to a curious coupling of anti-imperialism and nationalistic chauvinism that is regressive and reactionary.

It should not be allowed to dominate the public debate.

Augustine Zenakos is a journalist based in Athens
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Old 04-09-2018, 11:58 PM   #576
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I wonder if Augustine Zenakos is quite possibly the only Greek in the world to have such a rational (=non Greek) view of the current situation.
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I wonder if Augustine Zenakos is quite possibly the only Greek in the world to have such a rational (=non Greek) view of the current situation.
Well, he's correctly not described as a "Greek journalist", but as a "journalist based in Athens", the kind of leftist who will even become pro-NATO and "pro-imperialism" when it is to speak against Greece.
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In this instance, he is far closer to reality than any other Greek I have met online.
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Old 04-10-2018, 07:04 AM   #579
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Well, he's correctly not described as a "Greek journalist", but as a "journalist based in Athens", the kind of leftist who will even become pro-NATO and "pro-imperialism" when it is to speak against Greece.
Really Amphipolis? Is that the excuse you come up with?
Your reasoning is both skewered and pathetic.
The reality of it is, as Risto stated above, is that this journalist is very rational.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:36 AM   #580
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With a name like Zenakos, he is not just a journalist based in Athens...
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