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Old 09-19-2018, 09:19 AM   #1
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Macedonia Court Rejects Motion to Scrap 'Name' Referendum

Macedonia’s Constitutional Court on Wednesday rejected an initiative to call off the September 30 referendum filed by various opponents of the Greece-Macedonia agreement.

Macedonia's Constitutional Court voted by seven to two on Wednesday against an initiative that called for a assessment of the constitutionality and legality of parliament’s decision on July 30 to call for a referendum on the Greek-Macedonian "name" deal.

Government spokesperson Mile Bosnjakovski said on Wednesday, after the court's decision was published, that Zoran Zaev's government would not comment on the ruling.

The initiative filed by three separate subjects would have derailed the key referendum, which is likely to determine Macedonia’s Euro-Atlantic future, just ten days before the vote.

Had it succeeded, it would have caused political turmoil, with potentially dire international implications. Both Zaev's government and its Western allies stand firmly behind the "name" agreement and the associated referendum.

Under the deal signed with Greece this summer, Macedonia agreed to change its name to the Republic of North Macedonia, while Greece agreed to lift its long-standing veto on Macedonia's NATO and EU integration.

But for the deal to take effect, Macedonian citizens must affirm the referendum question, which reads: “Do you support EU and NATO membership by accepting the deal between Macedonia and Greece?”

The initiative against the referendum came before the court as a result of three separate motions filed by the far-left non-parliamentary “Levica” party, the Pan-Macedonian Association World Macedonian Congress and a private citizen from the town of Kumanovo.

The first two groups have strongly condemned the Greek deal as harmful to Macedonian national interests and say the vote should be boycotted.

As a result of the motions, Constitutional Court Judge Elena Gosheva, who acted as the court’s rapporteur in this case, proposed issuing a temporary measure to suspend the referendum. The majority of her colleagues disagreed, however.

Among other things, the motions argued that Macedonia's Foreign Minister, Nikola Dimitrov, had no legal right to sign the “name” agreement, and insisted that only President Gjorge Ivanov – who is also against the deal – could have done so.

The now rejected motions also disputed the parliament’s decision to call for the referendum, and disputed the referendum question itself.

According to them, the question was unclear and manipulative because it does not treat the country’s Euro-Atlantic accession process and the “name” deal as two separate things.
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:50 PM   #2
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And there goes that avenue.

To summarize:

The courts will let this go through
The main opposition party is quietly supporting this
The one and only response is lets stay home and wait it out.

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Macedonia Court Rejects Motion to Scrap 'Name' Referendum

Macedonia’s Constitutional Court on Wednesday rejected an initiative to call off the September 30 referendum filed by various opponents of the Greece-Macedonia agreement.

Macedonia's Constitutional Court voted by seven to two on Wednesday against an initiative that called for a assessment of the constitutionality and legality of parliament’s decision on July 30 to call for a referendum on the Greek-Macedonian "name" deal.

Government spokesperson Mile Bosnjakovski said on Wednesday, after the court's decision was published, that Zoran Zaev's government would not comment on the ruling.

The initiative filed by three separate subjects would have derailed the key referendum, which is likely to determine Macedonia’s Euro-Atlantic future, just ten days before the vote.

Had it succeeded, it would have caused political turmoil, with potentially dire international implications. Both Zaev's government and its Western allies stand firmly behind the "name" agreement and the associated referendum.

Under the deal signed with Greece this summer, Macedonia agreed to change its name to the Republic of North Macedonia, while Greece agreed to lift its long-standing veto on Macedonia's NATO and EU integration.

But for the deal to take effect, Macedonian citizens must affirm the referendum question, which reads: “Do you support EU and NATO membership by accepting the deal between Macedonia and Greece?”

The initiative against the referendum came before the court as a result of three separate motions filed by the far-left non-parliamentary “Levica” party, the Pan-Macedonian Association World Macedonian Congress and a private citizen from the town of Kumanovo.

The first two groups have strongly condemned the Greek deal as harmful to Macedonian national interests and say the vote should be boycotted.

As a result of the motions, Constitutional Court Judge Elena Gosheva, who acted as the court’s rapporteur in this case, proposed issuing a temporary measure to suspend the referendum. The majority of her colleagues disagreed, however.

Among other things, the motions argued that Macedonia's Foreign Minister, Nikola Dimitrov, had no legal right to sign the “name” agreement, and insisted that only President Gjorge Ivanov – who is also against the deal – could have done so.

The now rejected motions also disputed the parliament’s decision to call for the referendum, and disputed the referendum question itself.

According to them, the question was unclear and manipulative because it does not treat the country’s Euro-Atlantic accession process and the “name” deal as two separate things.
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Old 09-19-2018, 10:46 PM   #3
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B-b-but the h-h-heroes on social media are screaming that staying home with one thumb up their ass and another thumb in their mouth and boycotting the reffrendum will be the magic tactic that saves us all.

T-t-there is even talk on social media from people that becasue of the low turn out the reffrendum will fail, but i am not sure if its another macedonian c-c-cuck tale from big talking s-s-s-sheep that dont seem to know as much as they think?
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I don't hear the USA & EU complaining about the legal system now.
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Changes to the constitution requires 2/3 majority. It will be interesting to see what VMRO excuse will be then..
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Changes to the constitution requires 2/3 majority. It will be interesting to see what VMRO excuse will be then..
Мицкоски: Ако референдумот биде успешен и мнозинството е „за“, ќе го почитуваме тоа

Ако референдумот биде успешен и мнозинството гласа во насока на поддршка на референдумското прашање, ситуацијата е јасна и ВМРО-ДПМНЕ тоа ќе го почитува, рече вечерва лидерот на партијата Христијан Мицкоски на вечерашната дебатна емисија на ТВ 21.

– Ако референдумот е успешен и ако мнозинството граѓани се изјаснат „за“ дека го поддржуваат сето ова, тогаш ситуацијата е јасна, односно, ако бидат исполнети двата услова, првиот да има цензус и мнозинството да гласа во насока на поддршка на референдумското прашање, ситуацијата е јасна. Партијата ќе донесе свој став, но во таков случај и за нас и за целата македонска политичка јавност е јасно дека референдумот ќе биде успешен ако бидат исполенти овие два услова и тука нема дилема, рече Мицкоски прашан дали ако референдумот биде успешен ќе им каже на пратениците од партијата да ги поддржат уставните измени за кои е потребно двотретинско мнозинство во Собранието.

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Old 09-20-2018, 04:18 AM   #7
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So we can cross off the wolf from saving the sheep.. I was hoping for a miracle, that VMROs lust for greed and spite would see them stop the name change at constitution level.
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LOMA spent the entire fucking summer trying to convince the geniuses that their grand plan was destine for failure regardless of the referendum turnout. What they fail to understand is that this is not a sport, with a defined set of rules that everyone must adhere to in order to play. Their whole strategy banks on the opposition accepting a "loss". They fail to understand that if no one backs your play, the courts, the opposition party, etc, your "victory" doesn't mean shit. That is even if you manage a low turnout. Lets not even get into the fact that they likely won't even achieve a low turnout and skew the result heavily in the wrong direction.

Like with everything else that has ever happened there, Macedonians expect that they just have to make their wishes known, and that someone else will do the heavy lifting to make it happen. They are boycotting to send a message in their own words, one leader even told me it was to show "Inajet", send a message to who??? No one is listening and "Inajet" is a negative trait usually associated with CHILDREN!!!

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B-b-but the h-h-heroes on social media are screaming that staying home with one thumb up their ass and another thumb in their mouth and boycotting the reffrendum will be the magic tactic that saves us all.

T-t-there is even talk on social media from people that becasue of the low turn out the reffrendum will fail, but i am not sure if its another macedonian c-c-cuck tale from big talking s-s-s-sheep that dont seem to know as much as they think?
If you really want a measure of where the population is at, look no further than the opposition party. It is the job of politicians to read the populace and attach themselves to their sentiment in order to come to power. If there was a definite majority that was against this, DPMNE would be all over it. They are quiet on this because they realize they would be talking to a minority and that is not how you come to power.


DPMNE know a majority are for this and are happy to let it go through. They will wait a year or so after the implementation of the agreement and when Macedonia is denied EU entry on the account of it being a shit hole, then DPMNE will campaign on getting Macedonia into the EU and claim that it is too late to reverse the agreement. Just like every other past traitorous agreement. They be the first ones to claim later that we changed our name for nothing, and then in the same sentence say that they will ensure that it wasn't changed in vain.
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Is it true that under the agreement that the old flag and the Sun symbol would be illegal in Norf Macedonia in the way a swastika in Germany?

I heard this from a cousin but also thought I read it here as well.
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