Major Ancient Macedonian Cemetery found in Krushodari, Lerin

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  • Niko777
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    • Oct 2010
    • 1895

    Major Ancient Macedonian Cemetery found in Krushodari, Lerin

    200 graves have been discovered in the village of Krushodari, Lerinsko (Greek: Ahlada, Florina), just 1 km south of the Greek-Macedonian border. The graves date from the 6th century BC. Gold warrior masks have been found, similar to Mycenaean masks, as well as "Ilyrian" type helmets like the ones found in southern Greece . Greek historians are spreading news that the findings prove that the ancient Macedonians descended from Peloponnese in southern Greece.

    Photos and article here: https://www.ethnos.gr/politismos/627...ifVvLDWKVr8noE

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  • maco2envy
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    • Jan 2015
    • 288

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    Illyrian type helmets (called that due to their widespread usage in Illyria) and gold masks that are very similar to the ones found in Trebenista, Ohird somehow implies Peloponnese origins? Wow, talk about far-fetched conclusions. If anything such finding indicate a Balkanic culture like the Illyrians and Thracians (gold masks are also found in Thrace) rather than Hellenic.

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    • Carlin
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 3332

      #3
      Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
      200 graves have been discovered in the village of Krushodari, Lerinsko (Greek: Ahlada, Florina), just 1 km south of the Greek-Macedonian border. The graves date from the 6th century BC. Gold warrior masks have been found, similar to Mycenaean masks, as well as "Ilyrian" type helmets like the ones found in southern Greece . Greek historians are spreading news that the findings prove that the ancient Macedonians descended from Peloponnese in southern Greece.

      Photos and article here: https://www.ethnos.gr/politismos/627...ifVvLDWKVr8noE

      Use Google translate to read in English
      The argument that Macedonians descended from the Peloponnese based on these graves seems to be a pretty rash and questionable "conclusion" considering that The graves span a period of more than a thousand years, from the Ancient Macedonian Empire to the Byzantine Empire.

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      Another blog is reporting additional details, namely The remains of two Roman farming operations have been discovered in the southern part of the site. Of the 209 burials discovered this summer, 131 date to the Byzantine era and 75 of them are from the Archaic period.

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      Using Advanced mathematics that would mean that up to 63% of the burials discovered this summer date exclusively to the Byzantine era.
      Last edited by Carlin; 10-12-2019, 07:34 PM.

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      • Carlin
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3332

        #4
        Originally posted by maco2envy View Post
        Illyrian type helmets (called that due to their widespread usage in Illyria) and gold masks that are very similar to the ones found in Trebenista, Ohird somehow implies Peloponnese origins? Wow, talk about far-fetched conclusions. If anything such finding indicate a Balkanic culture like the Illyrians and Thracians (gold masks are also found in Thrace) rather than Hellenic.
        I found the following entry in Wikipedia:


        It appears that the "Illyrian type helmet" originated in Peloponnese. Nevertheless, "Illyrian type helmets" being found in Lerin region, Macedonia does not imply in any way that the Macedonians as a people descended from Peloponnese. Etruscans, Illyrians and Scythians also used these helmets.

        From the Wikipedia page:

        - Naming conventions and typology of ancient helmets are of modern origin and do not reflect contemporaneous usage. (Connolly 1998, p. 60: "Terms such as 'Illyrian' and 'Attic' are used in archaeology for convenience to denote a particular type of helmet and do not imply its origin.")
        - The Illyrian type helmet was used by the ancient Greeks, Etruscans, Scythians, and became popular with the Illyrians who later adopted it. A variety of the helm had also spread to Italy based on its appearance on ivory reliefs and on a silver bowl at the "Bernardini" tomb at Praeneste.
        - The helmet became obsolete in most parts of Greece in the early 5th century BC. Its use in Illyria had ended by the 4th century BC.

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