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  • Bratot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2855

    Obtaining and Using Evidence from

    The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based civil liberties group, obtained the 33-page document when it sued the Justice Department and five other agencies in federal court.

    Law enforcement agents are following the rest of the Internet world into popular social-networking services, even going undercover with false online profiles to communicate with suspects and gather private information, according to an internal Justice Department document that surfaced in a lawsuit.

    The document shows that U.S. agents are logging on surreptitiously to exchange messages with suspects, identify a target's friends or relatives and browse private information such as postings, personal photographs and video clips.




    Justice Department document:

    The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot
  • fyrOM
    Banned
    • Feb 2010
    • 2180

    #2
    Nothing new Bratot. If you are Australian then you would already have heard the vital communication link Australia plays for the USA. Echelon is live and kicking. The French proved it.

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    • Bratot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 2855

      #3
      What do you think about forums like ours?

      Do you think only Americans have this kind of control over the internet?
      The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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      • Phoenix
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 4671

        #4
        All of you people with your Facebook profiles...look out...stay away from that shit.

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        • Rogi
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2343

          #5
          Every bit of data transmitted over any network and any frequency, is being recorded and stored and has been for quite some time. That is the Echelon project and it is a collaborative effort of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK and USA.

          Look into it Bratot, if you're interested.
          Last edited by Rogi; 03-17-2010, 05:06 AM.

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          • Phoenix
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 4671

            #6
            Rogi, do you think they can actually sift through all of that digital data in a meaningful way, I guess its one thing storing it all and another thing finding the proverbial needle in the haystack...

            A more immediate concern is the social-networking sites and people naively coughing up personal information including photographs of themselves...

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            • Rogi
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 2343

              #7
              In the area of Artificial Intelligence, natural-Language and Sentiment analysis has come a long way, particularly when it is coupled with sufficient processing power.

              As for all the social media, yes that's definitely a concern.

              There are a few startups right now, with serious venture capital firms behind them, competing to link individuals via their Twitter/Facebook/Foursquare/Friendster/MySpace/Blogs/etc accounts and generate user profiling for the purposes of marketing/brand analysis and sentiment analysis.

              At that point, when everything is brought together, it's a very small step toward complete individual profiling with just about every piece of information on any person you could imagine, readily available online and easily accessed via the API's provided.

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                #8
                Disturbing stuff.
                They have been monitoring phone calls for years as well haven't they. I was telling that to Osama Bin Laden the other day on the phone after I emailed my jihad plans to Iran.

                ... I am done for now.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

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                • Phoenix
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 4671

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rogi View Post
                  In the area of Artificial Intelligence, natural-Language and Sentiment analysis has come a long way, particularly when it is coupled with sufficient processing power.

                  As for all the social media, yes that's definitely a concern.

                  There are a few startups right now, with serious venture capital firms behind them, competing to link individuals via their Twitter/Facebook/Foursquare/Friendster/MySpace/Blogs/etc accounts and generate user profiling for the purposes of marketing/brand analysis and sentiment analysis.

                  At that point, when everything is brought together, it's a very small step toward complete individual profiling with just about every piece of information on any person you could imagine, readily available online and easily accessed via the API's provided.
                  I think its a concern when employers trawl through Facebook to get to 'know' the next guy they're interviewing for that vacant position...

                  We've got a kid at work doing a PhD project from ANU who has a uni friend working at a certain 'intelligence' organization on something along the lines of what you're talking about Rogi...so its all VERY REAL

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                  • julie
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 3869

                    #10
                    Calls are monitored and they have had that capability for years prior to the internet. Social network sites may be an issue, but merely using the internet without being involved with any social forums is the issue - the increased capabilities of data gathering between all the intelligence agencies have increased dramatically since the introduction of the internet. ASIO would have a dossier on anyone that uses it. Uncle Sam is always watching and listening, every key stroke is measured, and the "war on terrorism (I despise that paradoxically term) was introduced to instil fear and justify their project Echelon worldwide.
                    "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                    • Frank
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 687

                      #11
                      There are many techniques of obtaining information from peoples Facebook profiles that is the medium were people share thier most private information stupidly and willingly

                      Monitoring software to intercepte Phone data on the other hand has been around for years and with some hardware you can bounce of the networks and do some serious shit

                      People are all so expecting of technology and they dont get how it works beleive me it is cool being a Geek

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                      • Mikail
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1338

                        #12
                        The "data collectors" are all glad we have reached the credit card age.

                        Anyone have a Frequent Flyers account. A mobile phone. An internet account. A Pay TV account.

                        They've been working on "getting to know more about" us for a long time now.

                        Face book or no face book. They know who you are............
                        From the village of P’pezhani, Tashko Popov, Dimitar Popov-Skenderov and Todor Trpenov were beaten and sentenced to 12 years prison. Pavle Mevchev and Atanas Popov from Vrbeni and Boreshnica joined them in early 1927, they were soon after transferred to Kozhani and executed. As they were leaving Lerin they were heard to shout "With our death, Macedonia will not be lost. Our blood will run, but other Macedonians will rise from it"

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                        • Buktop
                          Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 934

                          #13
                          When monitoring information or profiling possible threats to security there are several "key-words" that when uttered over a phone or text or on the internet, there is an engine that logs it and later analysts determine whether there is actual perceived threat. This has been in practice since before the 1930's and picked up when Hoover was head of the FBI.
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