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Old 01-22-2019, 06:32 AM   #11
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Majority of humans are useless and greedy.
Macedonians in the diaspora have done more than their share of the work. While some may choose to disagree, it has been us and only us who have preserved the Macedonian identity in the world's eyes for the last 60 years.

The Croats set the benchmark.
Leta not normalise what is not normal. The ones that preserved the macedonian identity were the ones that spilt blood in the wars of last century, the poets who wrote patriotic poems, the musicians who sang patriotic songs, the teachers that taught our language, the families that taught culture and respect and the church that instilled morals. Letís compare todayís fyromers track record for selling out? You canít compare them with anyone, they are unique and and example of extreme cowardice.

Itís the fight we fight that defines us. Iíve always felt %100 Macedonian.

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Old 01-22-2019, 06:43 AM   #12
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I think itís quite simple. The average wealth for a resident in USA, Australia or Canada is 8 to 11 times more than in homeland.

You have to pack and go back, have a privileged life in your homeland, invest your money and offer your advanced cosmopolitan culture, talent and mentality, share their destiny and see how it is or how you make a difference.
I know plenty of persons who would like to return to their homeland and reclaim their homes in what is today northern Greece.

But Greece is special like a greedy beauty queen, they donít have to respect the human rights of anyone. Itís 2019 and you have not one class in Northern Greece teaching Macedonian.

Btw poustie take off the pic of the shiela itís very deceiving.
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:45 AM   #13
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I know plenty of persons who would like to return to their homeland and reclaim their homes in what is today northern Greece.

But Greece is special like a greedy beauty queen, they donít have to respect the human rights of anyone. Itís 2019 and you have not one class in Northern Greece teaching Macedonian.

Btw poustie take off the pic of the shiela itís very deceiving.
My post applies to all cases of returning to homeland and sharing its' destiny. If you return to Greece you will have a different political struggle and issues.

We have relevant threads about properties and schools.
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Old 01-22-2019, 12:37 PM   #14
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okay thanks for your replies, it seems still as hopeless as it was before. I guess it comes down to the fact that the people in macedonia chose this path and theres nothing we can do then.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:35 PM   #15
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okay thanks for your replies, it seems still as hopeless as it was before. I guess it comes down to the fact that the people in macedonia chose this path and theres nothing we can do then.
Sadly, I feel you've summed it uo correctly. I'm in earlier middle age and this is the worst I've seen it. So much hope and pride in 1992 and prior....
What I am thinking is the folks who had skills have already left North Macedonia and it reduced the pool of people. Seems most of the ones with dignity left long ago. These dumbassess think they getting into EU and NATO. This will be fun to watch unfold. It'll be like Cherlie Brown and the football(Lucy).
My family is from the Krani and Bitola areas.Not sure where this leaves me.I guess I'll need to learn Greek. I apparently already know a "Bulgarian dialect". So damn deflating still. I recall once we were referred to as "The Palestinians of Europe". Regardless of where you stand on that issue, I can only imagine what it would be like if we had half of their pride and 5% of their commitment. Or maybe I am a blowhard American full of shit. Perhaps both things are true....
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:36 PM   #16
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Sadly, I feel you've summed it uo correctly. I'm in earlier middle age and this is the worst I've seen it. So much hope and pride in 1992 and prior....
What I am thinking is the folks who had skills have already left North Macedonia and it reduced the pool of people. Seems most of the ones with dignity left long ago. These dumbassess think they getting into EU and NATO. This will be fun to watch unfold. It'll be like Cherlie Brown and the football(Lucy).
My family is from the Krani and Bitola areas.Not sure where this leaves me.I guess I'll need to learn Greek. I apparently already know a "Bulgarian dialect". So damn deflating still. I recall once we were referred to as "The Palestinians of Europe". Regardless of where you stand on that issue, I can only imagine what it would be like if we had half of their pride and 5% of their commitment. Or maybe I am a blowhard American full of shit. Perhaps both things are true....
It's too bad, I guess my baba and dedo are ahead of you since they were already forced to learn greek. I never could find a word that represented how this situation has made me feel but when you describe it as deflating that sums it up entirely; I can't honestly take any of this anymore, from the Bulgarians, to the Albanians, and the Greeks; I just can't have this nonsense in my life just ruins my day everyday.
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:32 PM   #17
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Money can be very persuasive, I think the diaspora could have done more post WWII, at the very least did some counter bribing of various politicians at key periods in our history.

It’s too late now, people in NMK are fed up with nationalism. They would choose to speak Albanian or Greek if it opens the doors to a better life.

FYI the KLA was created in Switzerland by expats, they ended up carving out some land from Serbia and made fyrom binational. They were the laughing stock of the Balkans. But they had a plan..
The Norwegian black metal musician ‘Varg’ on his youtube channel talked about when he went to jail in Oslo the majority of the people in prison where Albanians. They would sell drugs and do other criminal activities and send all proceeds to the UCK. The UCK would then use this money to buy weapons from the USA or send money to Albanian-American politicians to ‘persuade’ American politicians to support the Albanian cause. He also mentioned that when he was growing up in Scandinavia it was the Pakistanis who where the biggest criminal element in Scandinavia, and from the late 80s to today it is now the shiptars.

Anyway, you beat me to it. I was going to say the shiptars have done very well as a diaspora, they have really caught up to people such as croats, irish, Italians etc who have a strong and influential diaspora.
Look at the shiptar-american Joe DioGuardi and how influential he is as an American politician. He openly publish’s greater Albanian propaganda as well. Look at the amount of work and money the Albanian American Civic League has done for the shiptars in Kosovo, and now shiptars in Macedonia (this is a party lead and started by the before mentioned Joe DioGuardi).

In comparison what do the Macedonians have? The laughably pathetic UMD? The same jokers who flip flop on their stance and dance to whatever tune their American masters tell them to do? Or if Greece or Bulgaria does something racist what happens? These macedonian organisations just post an angry facebook announcement, wow so scary.

The Macedonians diaspora did a lot to keep the Macedonian identity alive especially in the late 80’s and early 90’s but I feel that maybe they have not ‘advanced’ or updated their strategy with others such as the shiptars. They didn’t play dirty and buy politicians or historians, they didn’t use Australian/American politicians but instead allowed themselves to be used by these politicians. And most importantly, macedonains are notorious for in fighting so all these macedonains groups split up into other small groups with their own direction and goals.

But to be fair, I cant blame the diaspora for giving up – I have heard plenty of stories of money being sent to the republic and it going ‘missing’.

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Money talks, and because of organized crime Albanians have a lot more of it. I know Macedonians who can spare 40 to 50k to buy off a mayor or two in order to get awarded pubic contracts. Albanian money is in the seven figures.

How else do you think this goat herding race is continually punching above their weight. Their scummy ruthless nature makes them the perfect criminals, and they are naturally good business people to boot.
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Haven't most truly patriotic Macedonian movements throughout history been either originated or heavily influenced by Macedonian expats forming organisations like a literary society, or D.O.O.M, etc.
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Haven't most truly patriotic Macedonian movements throughout history been either originated or heavily influenced by Macedonian expats forming organisations like a literary society, or D.O.O.M, etc.
Many of the first Macedonian organisations were formed by the diaspora, some of the largest and most influential as well. The amount formed in Sofia alone is staggering.
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