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  • fatso
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 301

    I wouldn't read too much into this. I would take a church over a Mosque any day.

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    • Niko777
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 1895

      Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
      If that is the case then the article is a bit misleading. Does the MOC have a presence in Russia or Serbia?
      Yes the article is misleading.

      The MOC refuses to open churches in other Orthodox countries citing Orthodox canon law that says Orthodox churches can't interfere in each other's territories.... if you believe that.

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      • Sweet Sixteen
        Banned
        • Jan 2014
        • 203

        Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
        Yes the article is misleading.

        The MOC refuses to open churches in other Orthodox countries citing Orthodox canon law that says Orthodox churches can't interfere in each other's territories.... if you believe that.
        I think there's one in Greece.

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        • Niko777
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2010
          • 1895

          Originally posted by Sweet Sixteen View Post
          I think there's one in Greece.
          It hasn't been officially consecrated yet, nor has it received any funds from the MOC.

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          • Niko777
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2010
            • 1895

            Here's what the church in Skopje will look like for those who are interested:

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            • Soldier of Macedon
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 13670

              Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
              The MOC refuses to open churches in other Orthodox countries citing Orthodox canon law that says Orthodox churches can't interfere in each other's territories.... if you believe that.
              Does that mean that there are no other Orthodox churches in Macedonia aside from the MOC?
              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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              • Niko777
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 1895

                Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                Does that mean that there are no other Orthodox churches in Macedonia aside from the MOC?
                That's what I was implying... the Greek Orthodox Church is interfering in Macedonia through the activities of Vranishkovski and his associates. But other than that no, there no other Orthodox churches in Macedonia.

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                • George S.
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10116

                  Ihurch?? can only suppose more interference from someplace else who would in their right minds construct a Russian church .How many Russians are there in Macedonia??
                  Like our orthodox & Russian is oiously similar started by st kiril Metodija .Obviously its church affairs & we shouldn't get interference from other orthodoxies.
                  Last edited by George S.; 06-14-2014, 12:01 AM.
                  "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                  GOTSE DELCEV

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                  • VMRO
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1462

                    Russia’ intercepts European supplies through Belarus stating from Macedonia

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                    http://rt.com/business/181252-rosselhoznadzor-reexport-products-russia/
                    Russia’s fresh food safety authority intercepts European supplies through Belarus


                    ​Russia's fresh food safety watchdog, Rosselkhoznadzor, said it has blocked supplies of some banned agricultural products which sanctioned countries like Poland and Greece tried to re-export through Belarus.

                    "Some EU countries have started sending their products to Belarus without giving the real country of their origin. They write, for example - Macedonia, but we have found out that it is Poland and Greece, as the Macedonian origin has not been confirmed," ITAR-TASS quotes Sergei Dankvert, the head of Rosselkhoznadzor.

                    In the last few days the watchdog has stopped batches of apples, peaches, plums, and tomatoes being supplied via Belarus, that didn’t name the country of origin or said they were produced in Turkey, Serbia, Macedonia or African countries, in particular Zimbabwe, which are not covered by Russia's embargo.

                    As these supplies had no health check paperwork from the countries of origin, they caused suspicions.

                    Rosselkhoznadzor conducted analysis which showed that fruit and vegetables had been supplied from Poland, Slovenia, the Netherlands, Lithuania and some other EU countries.

                    "We are actively monitoring the situation and will be promptly checking the origin of questionable batches," Dankvert said.

                    In terms of sanctions the health certification for the transit of European goods is Belarus' responsibility, Dankvert explained.

                    "If we uncover quarantine items, we will be imposing restrictions on supplies from Belarus," he added.

                    Rosselkhoznadzor intends to monitor re-exports of dairy, meat and fish products via Switzerland, Kazakhstan, and the Faroe Islands.

                    "Concerning Switzerland there are no cases of violation, the same applies to the Faroe Islands as there are few companies, and it will become immediately clear. However Kazakhstan has already transited goods which are in Moscow,” Dankvert said.

                    The issues concerning cooperation with Kazakhstan will be discussed on Wednesday with the country’s authorities, he concluded.
                    Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                    Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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                    • Philosopher
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1003

                      Originally posted by VMRO View Post
                      "Some EU countries have started sending their products to Belarus without giving the real country of their origin. They write, for example - Macedonia, but we have found out that it is Poland and Greece, as the Macedonian origin has not been confirmed," ITAR-TASS quotes Sergei Dankvert, the head of Rosselkhoznadzor.
                      So it seems that Greece does acknowledge Macedonia. Too bad they can't be more open about it.

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                      • VMRO
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1462

                        Originally posted by Philosopher View Post
                        So it seems that Greece does acknowledge Macedonia. Too bad they can't be more open about it.
                        Only acknowledges Macedonia if $$$ is involved.
                        Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                        Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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                        • VMRO
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1462

                          NATO's planned Balkan expansion a "provocation" - Russia's Lavrov

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                          http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/29/nato-balkans-russia-idINKCN0HO11Q20140929?rpc=401



                          Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov speaks during a news conference on the sidelines of the the 69th U.N. General Assembly at U.N. Headquarters in New York, September 26, 2014.

                          Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov speaks during a news conference on the sidelines of the the 69th U.N. General Assembly at U.N. Headquarters in New York, September 26, 2014.


                          (Reuters) - NATO's potential expansion to the former Yugoslav republics of Bosnia, Macedonia and Montenegro could be seen as a "provocation", Russia's foreign minister was quoted as saying in a newspaper interview published on Monday.

                          Moscow has opposed any NATO extension to former communist areas of eastern and southeastern Europe, part of a competition for geo-strategic influence since the end of the Cold War that sits at the heart of the current conflict in ex-Soviet Ukraine.

                          Montenegro, Macedonia and Bosnia share an ambition to join the Western military alliance, following in the footsteps of Albania and ex-Yugoslav Croatia, which became members in 2009.

                          Asked about the integration of the three into NATO, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told the Bosnian daily Dnevni Avaz: "With regards to the expansion of NATO, I see it as a mistake, even a provocation in a way.

                          "This is, in a way, an irresponsible policy that undermines the determination to build a system of equal and shared security in Europe, equal for everyone regardless of whether a country is a member of this or that bloc."

                          Russia has energy interests in the Balkans and historical ties with the Slavs of the region, many of them Orthodox Christian like the Russians. But Moscow's influence has waned as the countries of the former Yugoslavia seek to join the European mainstream with membership of the EU and NATO.

                          The tiny Adriatic republic of Montenegro appears closest to NATO accession. Bosnia's bid is hostage to ethnic bickering that has slowed reforms, while Macedonia remains blocked by a long-running dispute with neighbouring Greece over the name of the landlocked country.

                          Only Serbia, perhaps Russia's closest ally in the region, is not actively pursuing membership of NATO given political sensitivities lingering since the alliance's 1999 air war against then-strongman Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic to halt a wave of atrocities against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo.

                          Lavrov confirmed that Russian President Vladimir Putin would visit Serbia in mid-October to mark the 70th anniversary of Belgrade's liberation from Nazi occupation by Yugoslav Partisan fighters and the Soviet army.
                          Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                          Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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                          • Philosopher
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1003

                            Russia has energy interests in the Balkans and historical ties with the Slavs of the region, many of them Orthodox Christian like the Russians.
                            What Slavs in the region is this writer writing about? Has he asked these people if they self-identify as Slavs? What are Slavs?

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13670



                              Brussels pressures Macedonia not to do business with Russia on SouthStream project, Friday, 24 October 2014

                              Brussels has been unable to influence EU member Austria from its cooperation on South Stream with Russia, so instead has tuned its focus now on Macedonia, not an EU member. Macedonia became the latest Western Balkan country to receive a warning on the implications of building Russia’s South Stream gas pipeline for its EU future, reads euobserver.com. The good news for Macedonia here is that its EU future is bleak. Janez Kopac, the head of the European Energy Community (EEC), said on Thursday (23 October) that Skopje’s South Stream agreement with Moscow is “not in compliance” with EU energy law. He noted that as an EEC treaty signatory it has “a legally binding commitment to implement these rules”. He added, in comments to the Brussels-based dtt-net.com news agency, that “Macedonia will have to withdraw from the IGA [the South Stream accord] or renegotiate it if it wants to become a full EU member”.

                              The EEC is a Vienna-based body which counts the 28 EU states, the Western Balkan EU-aspirants, Moldova, and Ukraine among its members. South Stream is to carry Russian gas under the Black Sea via Bulgaria and Serbia to the heart of the EU. But potential branch lines are to connect up with Bosnia, Macedonia, and Montenegro. The EU says its current model - in which Russian firm Gazprom owns at least 51 percent and controls both production and distribution - goes against EU laws designed to stop monopolies from inflating prices.

                              The EEC’s Kopac in panic mode spoke after a senior Gazprom executive met with Macedonian energy officials in Skopje earlier the same day. Both sides voiced confidence the branch line will go ahead as planned. For its part, the European Commission on 30 September wrote a formal letter to Macedonia to voice disquiet. “South Stream, as any other major infrastructure project in Europe, may only be developed and operated fully in line with EU law”, an EU official noted. “Pipelines developed and operated in conflict with EU law endanger the functioning of the internal market”.

                              The EEC and commission complaints come after similar criticism of Bosnia and Serbia. “It should be clear from the beginning that Serbia cannot accede to the EU without bringing this [South Stream] agreement into compliance [with EU law]”, Kopac told EUobserver earlier this month. Russian president Vladmir Putin has said he hopes to make a deal on the situation with EU leaders. But in the meantime, Gazprom is pressing ahead with construction of the offshore portion of the pipeline despite the dispute. EU leaders at a summit in Brussels also on Thursday fretted over how to improve the Union’s energy security in view of its gas dependence on Russia and Russia’s war on Ukraine.

                              Among other provisions, their joint conclusions, published in the small hours of Friday, say the “Southern Gas Corridor” is one of the EU's “critical projects of common interest … to ensure diversification of energy suppliers”. The southern corridor is a competing scheme to South Stream which aims to bring gas from the Caspian Sea to Europe, bypassing Russia. In light of Kopac’s forceful statements, the conclusions noted that EU states will “further strengthen the [European] Energy Community, which aims to expand the EU's energy acquis to enlargement and neighbourhood countries, in the light of the EU's security of supply concerns”. They added that EU countries should use “foreign policy instruments to convey consistent messages related to energy security, in particular to strategic partners”.
                              Macedonia should play the politics which can benefit her by exploring this option. The EU has done nothing but place condition upon condition on Macedonia and shamed the country endlessly, yet it still isn't any closer to joining that corrupt union.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                              • Gocka
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2012
                                • 2306

                                Are these Eurocrats really this delusional. They are threatening us with not letting us into the EU??? Really? Let me see which part of that threat is funnier: the fact that the EU is being held up by hot air, and any day now its going to come crashing down; or the fact that the EU has embarrassed us for a decade by not recognizing our country.

                                How many times are they going to wave the same carrot before we just tell them to go fuck themselves.

                                Gas supply will greatly help Macedonia's economy and industrial capacity. What is the EU going to give us in return for rejecting the pipeline?

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