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Old 03-23-2019, 07:32 AM   #61
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1) Below excerpt is taken from this article:
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2019/03/2...n-the-balkans/

"According to the 2002 census in Macedonia, Albanians account for 25% of the population. The census from 2011, Albanians boycotted after ten days of enumeration. Macedonian law forbids that citizens living abroad more than a year can be enumerated. Since a significant number of Albanians left Macedonia and went to the West, the real number of Albanians living in Macedonia would be shown. In that time ruling national-conservative Macedonian party VMRO-DPMNE drawn attention that there was manipulation in the census at that time. According to their data, 120,000 Albanians who have not lived in Macedonia for long time were enumerated. And that is a significant problem. The Ohrid Agreement from 2001, which ended the armed conflict between Albanian separatists and armed forces of the Macedonian state has basis in the 2002 census. Under that agreement members of national minorities, primarily Albanian, are guaranteed greater political influence, both at the state and local levels. In places where they account for more than 20% of the population, Albanians had received more rights in local government. There has also been an artificial increase of Albanians in Macedonia. After the NATO aggression against Serbia and Montenegro, a large number of Albanians from Kosovo went to Macedonia. According to some estimates of the UN and others organizations, about 300,000 Albanians went to Macedonia. Permanent refuge in Macedonia, from then until now, has found about 150,000 Albanians who received Macedonian citizenship. This also significantly influenced the ethnic structure of Macedonia."

2) Council of Europe calls on Albania to allow ethnic minorities to be counted in its 2020 census

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The Council of Europe calls on Albania to conduct a realistic census of its ethnic minorities in 2020, allowing them to freely express their nationality. According to the Council, allowing the expression of national identity should definitely be one of the questions contained in the census forms, especially given that the 2011 census was largely boycotted by minorities. Then, the entire operation was conducted without involvement of minority representatives, the forms were in Albanian only and ethnic groups insist that the results were heavily manipulated.

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Old 03-23-2019, 09:43 PM   #62
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Council of Europe calls on Albania to allow ethnic minorities to be counted in its 2020 census
they should force greece to do the same instead of just asking if your orthodox or muslim.
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1) Census to also include Albanians who have not entered Macedonia for years

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Deputy Prime Minister Bujar Osmani said on TV Klan Macedonia that Albanians who do not live and have not entered Macedonia for years will be included in the upcoming census.

Basically, we overcame the dilemmas that the political parties had in organizing the census. We initially agreed to organize the census in 2020, with a combined method that would mean not registering in a traditional way when the data is obtained only from the citizens in their homes, but the data from all electronic databases of the institutions, whether it will be the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Pension Fund, the Health Fund and other institutions will be initially used, said Osmani.

He explained that afterward that information will be checked and updated on the field, in the homes of the citizens.

And this is a combined model that is a standard European model. In 2011, the apple of discord was the registration of those who do not live here in our country. If you remember, the solution back then was to register everyone who has entered Macedonia for at least the last twelve months. Now we have overcome all these dilemmas. Any citizen of North Macedonia, whether living here or living abroad, will be registered, it will be sufficient one of the members of their family to provide the personal identification number of the person, who is not currently in North Macedonia, to the member of the commission and they will check it in the electronic database, and in this way the person, whether they live here or not, will be registered, said the Deputy Prime Minister.


2) Faced with the hot census issue, Zaev’s Government will allow emigrants to be counted along with the residents

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The State Statistics Bureau director Apostol Simovski announced that the coming 2020 census will not be a typical census of residents, like the one held in 2002, but would be geared toward adding the migrants – citizens who left Macedonia and live abroad.

We will try to cover as many people living abroad as possible. Their data is exceptionally important for us, given that Macedonia, like other countries around us, is unfortunately a high emigration country, said Simovski.

The decision reflect a common political issue with the census in Macedonia, where the political weight of the ethnic Albanian community is constitutionally tied with it reaching the 20 percent mark of the total population. Ethnic Albanians in Macedonia have a higher birth rate compared to Macedonians, but also a higher emigration rate, and ever since the 2002 census doubts have been raised about the result putting the Albanian community at 25 percent. The issue became especially contentious during the failed 2011 census, when ethnic Albanian parties insisted that permanent and long term emigrants are tallied by Skype and introduced in the total count to bolster the percentage of Albanians. The census was called off mid work, after a joint position could not be reached.

As the Zoran Zaev Government faced the same issue, it was initially proposed that census workers don’t ask the residents about their ethnic background. Outcry followed after this proposal as lack of an official document declaring the number of ethnic Macedonians in the country would have compounded the erosion of Macedonian national identity initiated with the Prespa treaty with Greece. So, the Zaev Government is now accepting to add permanent emigrants, who may have even given up their Macedonian citizenship, into the census data.


3) Дијаспората ќе се попишува, но со посебен метод

The diaspora will be included in the upcoming census, but not in a classic way. Persons who live abroad will register themselves using a special application on the web site of the Statistical Office, or data will be provided by their close relatives who live here.

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https://telma.com.mk/dijasporata-ke-...poseben-metod/

Дијаспората ќе биде опфатена со претстојниот попис, но не на класичен начин. Лицата кои живеат во странство ќе се попишуваат самите, преку посебна апликација на веб страницата на заводот за статистика или, пак, податоци за нив ќе даваат нивни блиски роднини кои живеат овде.

Ова денеска го најави директорот Апостол Симовски, велејќи дека, овие лица се вклучени во пописот затоа што во државата никој не го регистрира своето иселување и државата нема статистика колку наши државјани живеат во странство. Тврди дека методот е целосно безбеден и не треба да се стравува од злоупотреби.

При пописот ќе се користат правила што ги пропишува меѓународната заедница во однос на дефинирањето на категориите на населението.

Етничката графа останува, а како и досега, на терен ќе оди само еден попишувач, освен во етнички мешаните средини, каде ќе одат по двајца и повеќе попишувачи.

Од владата најавија дека на следната седница ќе го разгледаат законот за попис на населението, за кој има начелен договор да се одржи идната пролет. Последниот успешен попис беше во 2002-та година, додека тој во 2011-та беше прекинат поради обвинувања за фалсификат.

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Fucking retards. Can't even do something as simple as count!

I'm a citizen who lives abroad, for almost 20 years. So as long as someone there submits my personal id number, I would be counted in the census, why? What value would someone like me add to their data gather. What policy decisions can they make based on someone like me being counted in a census.

The only god damn reason censuses are conducted is to use the statistical data in crafting future policy. What future policy is based off of people WHO DON"T LIVE THERE!!!!

Being Macedonian is like supporting that sports team that finishes last every season. Every season you start out optimistic that they will do better this year, then they lose every game and you eventually find yourself screaming at the TV.

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Albanian language media full of stories of people emigrating out of Macedonia

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29.04.2019

Albanian media outlets in Macedonia are full of reports of on-going mass emigration into European Union countries. Macedonians and Albanians are leaving the country, but the phenomenon appears especially prominent among Albanians, as indicated by the exceptionally low turnout rates in the last several elections.

Four buses from Saraj left for Germany. The phenomenon is picking up pace in this country. It’s driven by economic considerations and hope for a better life elsewhere, writes the Shkupi news site.

And TV21 has a report about Sali Sadiku, rural doctor from the village of Jabolciste, who says Healthcare Fund bureaucratic red tape that harms his practice is the reason he has decided to abandon Macedonia.

I ask my 532 patients for forgiveness for leaving my three year practice in Jabolciste. I’m extremely disappointed. My road will be the same as that of many others, I will emigrate, says Sadiku, who intends to move to either Germany or Belgium.

The Zaev Government used promises that it will reverse migration out of Macedonia to win some votes in the 2016 elections, but has failed entirely to make the promise become reality.
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Османи: Гласаа 200.000 Албанци; Таравари: Не е точно, гласаа 110.000 Албанци

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Вицепремиерот за евроинтеграции Бујар османи од студиото на „Телма“ истакна дека во вториот круг од претседателските избори гласале околу 200.000 граѓани од албанска етничка националност.

Во оние средини кои се со доминантно албанско насеение и мешани средини имаше 270.000 гласови. Според тоа, од нив сметаме дека околу 200 илјади се дадени од Албанците – рече членот на ДУИ чија партија во владината коалиција го поддржува Стево Пендаровски како кандидат за претседател на Македонија.

Од друга страна, Арбен Таравари, генералниот секретар на Алијансата за Албанците рече дека бројката не е точна.

Станува збор за 110.000 гласови од Албанците и тие не се само од ДУИ туку поддржувачи на сите други албански партии и неподржувачи – смета Таравари.
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Kasami and Sela seek "multiethnic" teams throughout the country to conduct the census

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Albanian opposition parties BESA and the Alliance for Albanians of Bilal Kasami and Ziadin Sela announce that they will submit several amendments to the census law in order to depolitize the process with the formation of multiethnic teams for carrying out the statistical operation.

- To have a reliable census, normally, the teams that will conduct the census on the field must fulfill the multiethnic character. As in parts with an Albanian majority, where there are mixed teams, there must also be in the east where there are no Albanians. If there are Albanians who will conduct the census in the end, we will end up with an acceptable census - stated for Alsat M Arianit Hoxha, Secretary General of Besa.

Flakron Bexheti of AA, meanwhile, suggested that the provisions for the diaspora census should be revised.

- This is a good opportunity for citizens living abroad to have the opportunity to give their ID number to someone from the family. There is another opportunity to register online, and there is a suspicion that if one part is registered through a relative or a family member, and if at the same time some of them can be listed online, there will be a problem plus when it comes to criss-crossing the data - he said.

VMRO-DPMNE has already said that if they are not involved in the preparation of the census law, it is possible for them to boycott the entire process.

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Menduh Thaci: DUI afraid of census, Albanians may be below 20%

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07.10.2019

DPA leader Menduh Thaci, speaking about the current situation in the country on TV 21’s “10 Minutes” show, said that DUI is afraid of the census, as the number of Albanians may turn out to be below 20%, which would mean that DUI’s bad policies have forced Albanians to leave the country.

DUI is afraid of conducting a census. They may not say it publicly, but in informal conversations they say there is a risk that the number of Albanians being below 20%. This may be true, but this truth also reveals another truth that since 2001, 19 or 18 years of DUI’s political and ruling action has resulted in a total fiasco. If today we are afraid that our number will be below 20%, then the analysis says that the Albanians have left the country, the Albanians saw no prospects here, the Albanians migrated and this is a very strong argument, Thaci said.
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Business Insider: Macedonia among 20 countries facing population collapse



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Business Insider put Macedonia on its list of “20 countries facing population collapse”.

The list relies on demographic data from the United Nations and projects population of varius countries between 2020 and 2050.

Neighboring countries such as Bulgaria (1st on the list), Serbia (5th), Albania (10th) and Greece (12th) will see their populations decline by between 22.5 and 13.4 percent. This would turn Bulgaria in to 5.4 million strong country in 2050 and bring Albania to 2.5 million.

Macedonia is 18th on the Business Insider list. Our population is projected to shrink by 10.9 percent until 2050, down to 1.9 million, from the current level of 2.1 million.

Other Balkan countries on the list are Croatia, Bosnia and Romania, while the Baltics are also strongly represented. Ukraine, Italy and Japan are among the largest countries that face population collapse.
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Census postponed to April 2021

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The population census is postponed to April 2021, Telma reports. The Director of the State Statistical Office Apostol Simovski met Monday with Prime Minister Zaev and it was agreed that there is no room to postpone the Census for the following autumn, after the elections, since 2020 is still an election year. Statistics will submit a proposal to the Ministry of Justice by the end of this week requesting a postponement of this operation to 2021.

The census was originally scheduled for April 1 to April 30, 2020, but due to the early parliamentary elections scheduled for April 12 it must be postponed.
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