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Old 10-09-2018, 04:31 AM   #41
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They aren't even trying to hide their hypocrisy anymore.

This only 7 days apart. Pro-boycott in Romania and anti-boycott in Macedonia. Saying boycott is not a solution in one and celebrating boycott in another.
Clearly the outcome is more important than the process in a dictatorial organisation in EU......

I didn't see a hashtag #Macedonia anywhere on his twat (or tweet or whatever).

I do agree that boycott is not a solution (anymore). This phase might be more violent hopefully.
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By the way.... the Romanian referendum was a "Failure" as it was under 30% turnout needed.

While Macedonia had also a less than needed turnout..... But it doesn't matter, it's a "success".

That's two hypocrisies in one.
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My Gaydar was ringing pretty loudly looking at that guy BTW.
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My Gaydar was ringing pretty loudly looking at that guy BTW.
ROFL......

By the way, just to make it clear to others (in case its not obvious), i'm not complaining that the outcome in Romania favored the LGBTI and "Human rights" as Michael Roth put it..... a fair democratic process by far outweighs the outcome. Its just that what about the importance of Macedonian "Human Rights"

Well, that makes it a 3rd blatant Hypocrisy in one. This must be some sort of a record.
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Emmerson asks: "Is Spain still committed to a European model of democracy?"

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Marta Lasalas

Barcelona. Tuesday, 15 October 2019

British human rights lawyer Ben Emmerson has warned that Monday's court decision to give heavy jail sentences to Catalan pro-independence leaders places Spain on a "collision course with the United Nations, the international community and the international rule of law." "It is a dark day for democracy in Spain," said Emmerson, who is part of the legal team which presented the Catalan political prisoners' case to the UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detentions. The UN Working Group concluded that the Catalan pro-independence leaders who were part of the case (seven of those now convicted for sedition) were wrongfully held in custody and called for their immediate release, but Spain ignored the UN ruling.

Emmerson warned in a statement that the decision taken by Spain's Supreme Court, "torpedoes the possibility of a peaceful resolution of the political crisis in Catalonia" He said the court had "quite deliberately dropped an incendiary device into a tinder box". For this reason, he considers it vital for all parties to remain calm, and redouble their efforts for a negotiated solution, before the situation "spirals out of control".

The British lawyer says that the debate has now gone well beyond the question of independence: "It’s about whether Spain remains committed to the European model of democracy. This is a truly chilling decision for European democracy as a whole, which will reverberate throughout the continent."

Emmerson added, sharing his declarations on Twitter, that he believes the case has a significance that goes far beyond Europe: "If an EU Member State can get away with locking up democrats" on this basis, he asked, "what message does this send to oppressive regimes elsewhere in the world?"

The lawyer also used Twitter to share the comments made by prominent British left-wing activist Owen Jones in response to the Supreme Court verdicts: that a "supposedly democratic European state locking up political dissidents" was "grotesque". Emmerson expressed his relief that "finally" someone close to the main UK political parties had become aware of the broader "democratic" implications of the issue.


131 injured, including one eye and one testicle lost: first day of sentence protests in Catalonia

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Organisations like Novact, Irídia, Iacta, ACDDH and La Fede have set up the platform Som Defensores (We Are Defenders) to defend and protect human rights during the protests in response to the sentences announced yesterday by Spain's Supreme Court against pro-independence leaders.

"The team Som Defensores was activated yesterday after the different protests announced after the sentence in the trial over 1st October [2017, referendum day] was announced first thing in the morning and it will remain on alert for the whole week," they say.

Among its first activities was to monitor those most seriously wounded by the police's response to the protests. According to the platform, they are aware of 29 cases of injuries caused by police during yesterday's protests. Six of the cases were people hit by foam bullets, five were hit with police batons on their heads and 16 injured on other parts of their body. They also confirmed that one person was seriously injured in one of their eyes, and another in a testicle. "The observers are also aware of kettling, limitations of movement and verbal attacks. We also highlight that 11 journalists have been injured."

"It's intolerable that foam bullets have been used again in Catalonia. Despite the Parliament's ban being only legally binding on the Mossos and not the [Spanish] National Police Corps, we understand there's a political agreement which PSC forms part of and which the Spanish government should respect", said lawyer Andrés García Berrio, a member of Irídia acting as spokesperson for Som Defensores. García Berrio will be responsible for giving legal assistance to the victims.

The lawyer also says that they "detected foam projectiles being fired directly at people who weren't doing anything and at people's heads." He adds that in many cases both Mossos and National Police Corps officers used their batons hitting from high to low, contrary to protocol.

The platform also said that "observers have suffered retentions, attacks and been identified by the security forces despite being accredited". On the other hand, they say there were Mossos officers who didn't have their ID numbers on their backs.


Incidents in Barcelona - 90 second video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUhR_FkkqvY

Video: Car accelerates at protesters blocking road in Catalonia:
https://www.elnacional.cat/en/news/v...30805_102.html










17 minutes of footage of clashes, incidents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpHwFdWFIhw

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Catalonia ‘separatists’ bad, HK ‘pro-democracy protesters’ good: Orwell’s 1984 becomes user’s manual for Western ‘free media’

George Galloway

15 Oct, 2019

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When supporters of Catalan leaders jailed for organizing a democratic vote advance on Barcelona airport, media make a fuss over ‘separatists’ causing chaos. When the same tactic’s used in Hong Kong, it’s a ‘pro-democracy’ protest.

In George Orwell’s 1984, The War Ministry was renamed the Ministry of Peace. Truth was Lies, Hate was Love. But author Lewis Carroll got there first.

In ‘Through the Looking Glass,’ first published in 1871, Humpty Dumpty tells Alice, and in rather a scornful manner, “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice “whether you CAN make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – that's all.”

Humpty Dumpty has indeed been put back together again, in our newsrooms and in the mouths of our politicians. As so often happens, it finds its apogee in Syria.

One man’s ‘terrorist’ is, of course, another man’s “freedom-fighter” – but now it’s becoming ridiculous. The so-called ‘Free’ so-called ‘Syrian’ so-called ‘Army’ –the FSA– are now being denounced all over the world for the savagery of their conduct in the Turkish incursions in north-east Syria.

The problem is that the Humpty Dumpties fulminating into their fountain-pens against it are the very same Humpties who told us for years that these were ‘moderate-rebels,’ ‘secular’ soldiers fighting for ‘democracy’ against ‘dictatorship’ in Syria. So much so, we had to give them the guns with which they are now reportedly gunning down Kurdish civilians, and over which we are now oh so appalled…

Those of us who drew attention to the fact that one of the FSA commanders had, in a former role, cut out a prisoner’s heart and eaten it on YouTube, were banned from social media-platforms, branded “Assad-apologists” or “Putin-apologists” or, in my case, both. That the so-called ‘democratic’ opposition was merely an alphabet-soup of Islamist fanatic forces in white-helmets wearing Mrs Clinton’s lipstick was a truth which simply could not be uttered.

This tragic farce is, in fact, ending as it began, when Hillary Humpty Dumpty Clinton's launch of the Coalition for a Democratic Syria literally died on her lips when it was pointed out that many of the countries in the coalition were the unfree-est, most anti-democratic countries on earth!

The name changed but the flow of guns, money, political and propaganda support never did.

Space and ennui precludes my adumbrating the full set of the false-teeth in the Syria story, so let me pay homage to Catalonia.

The democratic government of Spain in the democratic European Union has just handed out a hundred years of prison sentences on democratic Catalan politicians for organising a democratic vote in Catalonia. Worse, a “mob” of their supporters have advanced on...the airport in Barcelona! Commerce, holidays, trade are being WRECKED, wrecked I tell you, by this undemocratic form of protest.

But, when the exact same tactic is used in Hong-Kong, the demonstrators are NOT a mob, they are not wreckers, they are ‘democracy-protesters.’

When the Hong-Kong protesters confront the Chinese police with Molotovs, knives, even guns, it is the policeman stabbed in the neck who is the villain. When the French police literally disarm Yellow-Vest protesters –that is, to blow their hands off– even Humpty Dumpty runs out of words, so a complete media veil of secrecy is thrown over the removal of eyeballs, hands and even lives by the gendarmes.

George Orwell’s novel 1984 was supposed to be a dystopian work of fiction, a warning of the perversions of truth which would be required to sustain totalitarianism if we were not careful.

In 2019, it has become a User’s Manual, a play-book
, and some of the worst hypocrites in the world – otherwise known as the free-media in free-countries – deploy it to the nodding approbation of the political-classes they serve.

As Humpty Dumpty said, “The question is, which is to be master – that’s all.”
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There are obvious double standards. I wouldn't call it an Orwellian conspiracy but simple human bias.

I think it come down to perception. I people look at how stable and affluent the country is and assume that countries like France and Spain or stable democratic and prosperous and therefor anyone who stands up to those establishments must be a trouble maker. They look at China, Syria, and others as undemocratic and unstable places and therefor anyone who stands up to those establishments is obviously just seeking democracy.

Bias due to political orientation is also a factor.

You also have to take into consideration where and who the media gets its information from. Investigative journalism isn't what it used to be. Very few outlets send anyone out into the field to actual investigate. They rely on 2nd and 3rd hand sources. Most of the time the only people on the ground are government affiliated or employed and control the narrative. That is also not to say its some coordinated conspiracy to mislead. If you are a government employee working in an intelligence service, your job is to further the interests of your country, you are going to have a clear bias on any given situation depending on how that situation relates to your national interests.

If anyone is to blame for this its media companies who have basically abandoned journalism for sensationalist talk shows, because talk shows are cheaper to produce and bring in much more viewership. Society is also to blame, because we prefer to watch biased talk shows because actual journalism is sometimes dry. Then we get upset when we discover we have been mislead. We encourage and reward the media for acting in this manner.

Don't watch Rachel Maddow, and Sean Hanity and demand that news outlets go back to actually having boots on the ground.
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