greece REJECTS opinion from Macedonia to establish a circle of "history truth finding

[Dimko-piperkata]

greece REJECTS opinion from Macedonia to establish a circle of "history truth finding"

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[Risto the Great]

To be honest. Even the slightest admission of the distinct Macedonian identity makes them look like fools. They will never do this and we will always teach them.

[Soldier of Macedon]

To be honest. Even the slightest admission of the distinct Macedonian identity makes them look like fools. They will never do this and we will always teach them.

That in fact is the core problem, they wont recognize the identity of our state let alone the identity of our people and language, despite the fact that the Macedonians have and will continue to exist.

[Yiftoi]

The core problem is that both Greece and Macedonia disagree on who is a Macedonian and who is a Greek.

[Risto the Great]

The core problem is that both Greece and Macedonia disagree on who is a Macedonian and who is a Greek.

Macedonians do not disagree on who is a Greek.
So the problem is one-sided.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The problem is one-sided. Macedonians are Macedonians, Greeks are Greeks. Macedonians understand and accept this. Greeks do not. Greeks are the problem.

Yiftoi, why would you have the Greek translation of a 'Gypsy' for your username? Are you a 'Gypsy' or Roma? Or are you trying to imply something?

[Yiftoi]

The problem is one-sided. Macedonians are Macedonians, Greeks are Greeks. Macedonians understand and accept this. Greeks do not. Greeks are the problem.

Yiftoi, why would you have the Greek translation of a 'Gypsy' for your username? Are you a 'Gypsy' or Roma? Or are you trying to imply something?

The problem is both with the Macedonians and the Greeks. They are both to blame. If neither side doesn't add water to their wine, there will be no peace.

As for the username Yiftoi, I like it.

[Yiftoi]

Macedonians do not disagree on who is a Greek.
So the problem is one-sided.

So who do the Macedonians consider to be Greeks?

[osiris]

the macedonians consider the arvanovlachs and prsofygi as greeks, despite the fact that historically neither the arvanovalchs and prosfygi have any real connection cultural ethnic or linguistic with the ancinet greeks.

[Yiftoi]

Are you referring to these vlachs and prosfygoi as the northern Greeks......do the Macedonians consider the Greeks from the south and the islands to be different than the vlachs and prosfygoi?

Is there any culture, language or ethnicity in the Balkans that can be traced back to the ancient Greeks, Macedonians maybe?

[osiris]

the connection to ancinet cultures is a red herring that greece introduced into the debate to deflect from the real issue of the divison and occupation of macedonia during the balkan wars, and the susequent denationalisation of its people.

do you think the arvaniti of the peloponese and attika and the vlachs of thessally are really greeks. its your call, i dont have a problem with them identifying as greeks, despite their dubious greekness. unfortunately greeks ahve a probelm with me identifying as a macedonian, if by some chnace i would declare as greek as some of my poor relatives have then hey presto i too could be a macedonian by declaring i am a greek. very confusing and nonsesnical, but that modern greece to a tee.

[Yiftoi]

If the arvaniti of the peleponese and attika and the vlachs of thessaly are dubious Greeks, who and where are these Greeks that the Macedonians accept with no dubious attributes, do they exist?

[Spartan]

Not by the people on this forum my friend, except by maybe a couple of members...

[Yiftoi]

Well if the majority don't believe that any authentic Greeks exist, and the Greeks don't think that any authentic Macedonians exist, we have gone full circle and are back again to the core problem.

[Spartan]

^^
Thus a 17 yr old name issue....