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  • Carlin
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    • Dec 2011
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    The first major period of Armenian dispersion occurred in the 5-6th centuries as a result of Byzantine-Persian wars and the partitions of Armenia between the two empires. Occasionally, Byzantine emperors themselves deported Armenians to other parts of the Empire. In 578 for instance, around 10,000 Armenians were forcibly resettled to the island of Cyprus. The policy of resettlement of the Armenians in the Byzantine Empire continued into the later centuries, and tens of thousands of Armenians were resettled in Smyrna, Crete, Cyprus, Thrace, Macedonia, the Peloponnese, Sparta, Sicily and Italy.

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    Their transplantation from Armenia to Thrace.

    About the middle of the eight century, Constantine, surnamed Copronymus by the worshippers of images, had made an expedition into Armenia, and found, in the cities of Melitene and Theodosiopolis, a great number of Paulicians, his kindred heretics. As a favour, or punishment, he transplanted them from the banks of the Euphrates to Constantinople and Thrace; and by this emigration their doctrine was introduced and diffused in Europe. If the sectaries of the metropolis were soon mingled with the promiscuous mass, those of the country struck a deep root in a foreign soil. The Paulicians of Thrace resisted the storms of persecution, maintained a secret correspondence with their Armenian brethren, and gave aid and comfort to their preachers, who solicited, not without success, the infant faith of the Bulgarians. In the tenth century, they were restored and multiplied by a more powerful colony, which John Zimisces transported from the Chalybian hills to the valleys of Mount Haemus.... Their exile in a distant land was softened by a free toleration: the Paulicians held the city of Philippopolis and the keys of Thrace; the Catholics were their subjects; the Jacobite emigrants their associates: they occupied a line of villages and castles in Macedonia and Epirus....

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    Chapter 54 of 'The History Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire'- Origin and Doctrine of the Paulicians; The Reformation
    Last edited by Carlin; 09-23-2018, 10:02 PM.

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    • Soldier of Macedon
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      • Sep 2008
      • 13670

      Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
      Miyak Village, Galichnik, many families whose names were of Vlach origin

      Carlin, are the place names and family names listed in the footnote supposed to be Vlach by origin?
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • Carlin
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        • Dec 2011
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        Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
        Carlin, are the place names and family names listed in the footnote supposed to be Vlach by origin?
        Yes, they are believed to be of Vlach origin (i.e. Vlach puliu = a young bird). As it states in the footnote: "Significant are names with -ul-".

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        • Carlin
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          • Dec 2011
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          Koukoudis, Asterios (2003). The Vlachs: Metropolis and Diaspora. Thessaloniki: Zitros Publications, p. 352:

          "Until the Vlachs settled there, Magarevo at least was inhabited by a small number of Slavonic-speaking Christians.... Among the Vlach immigrants there were also a few small groups of Arvanite refugees, mainly from Vithkuq, who settled in Magarevo and Trnovo. By the beginning of the twentieth century, owing to intermarriage with the Vlachs, the Arvanites had ceased to speak Albanian and had been assimilated by the more numerous Vlachs."
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          • Soldier of Macedon
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            • Sep 2008
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            Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
            Yes, they are believed to be of Vlach origin (i.e. Vlach puliu = a young bird). As it states in the footnote: "Significant are names with -ul-".
            If the author is referring to the -ul diminutive that is common in Romanian (e.g: Draco > Dracul), then I am not sure it applies to Pulevci, Gulovci or Tulevci, because the -ul in each of those appears to be part of the root word. Perhaps it applies to Gugulevci and Čudulovci, although the root word of the latter looks Macedonian, not to mention that all of them have Macedonian endings. As for the places, he lists names like Rusin, Kameš and Katuništa. Are these supposed to be of Vlach origin also, according to the author?
            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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            • TrueMacedonian
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              • Jan 2009
              • 3810

              I think Carlin would be able to help out with this question I have. Thessaly was once known as little Vlachia in the Middle Ages. Is it possible to get an exact number of the population of Thessaly leading up to independence of the ottomans? And, if possible, get an ethnic breakdown of the people’s?
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              • tchaiku
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                • Nov 2016
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                Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
                I think Carlin would be able to help out with this question I have. Thessaly was once known as little Vlachia in the Middle Ages. Is it possible to get an exact number of the population of Thessaly leading up to independence of the ottomans? And, if possible, get an ethnic breakdown of the people’s?
                It was known as Great Vlachia. In early 1800s Thessaly had a population about 200,000 people (including Turks). Not an exactly accurate estimation but somewhere close to that number.

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                • Amphipolis
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                  • Aug 2014
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                  Thessaly became part of Greece in 1881. In the first census (1889) it has 311k people or 14% of Greece's population.

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                  • TrueMacedonian
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                    • Jan 2009
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                    So how many Vlachs, Albanians, Turks etc
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                    • Amphipolis
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                      • Aug 2014
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                      In the 1951 census, mother language is recorded. Vlach is a mother language for 0,52% of people overall Greece and 2,1% in Thessaly.

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                      • Amphipolis
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                        • Aug 2014
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                        Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
                        So how many Vlachs, Albanians, Turks etc
                        In 1951 Thessaly, for mother language, Turkish 0,43%, Albanian 0,02%.

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                        • TrueMacedonian
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                          • Jan 2009
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                          Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
                          Thanks.

                          Nearly all of the native Hellenic population of Macedonia were simply Vlachs.




                          Quotes/testimonies such as these are NOT OPEN to interpretation. What's more... Regarding Macedonia we do know what and who the (small) remainder of the native Hellenes were -- and these were mainly Patriarchist Macedonians and Arvanites.
                          This goes in the face of the modern greek of 4000 years of “Hellenic” Macedonia.
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                          • TrueMacedonian
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                            • Jan 2009
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                            Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                            In 1951 Thessaly, for mother language, Turkish 0,43%, Albanian 0,02%.
                            If Macedonia bordered a Vlach province how in the world did we get the inflated numbers coming out of modern “greece” during the Ottoman Empire for ethnic greeks? How much of Macedonia was actually greek?
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                            • Carlin
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                              • Dec 2011
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                              - A Journey Through Albania, and Other Provinces of Turkey in Europe and Asia - By John Cam Hobhouse Broughton

                              Pages 491 & 492:
                              "The country inhabited by the southern Valachi, properly so called, is composed of the contines of Macedonia, Thessaly, and Epirus; comprehending Edessa, Castoria, as well as Larissa, Pharsalia, in the low grounds of Thessaly..."


                              - The Pall Mall Budget: Being a Weekly Collection of Articles ..., Volume 25
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                              • Carlin
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                                • Dec 2011
                                • 3332

                                The coastal Greeks of Varna, Bulgaria were largely Gagauz Orthodox Christians who spoke Turkish at home, and studied / learned Greek in school.



                                The Bilinguism in Bulgarian Lands during 15 - 19 centuries, Nadka N Nikolova

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