Just How 'Greek' Was The Byzantine Empire???

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  • TerraNova
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    • Nov 2008
    • 473

    #76
    Originally posted by Pelister View Post
    According to Vasil Bogov, Christendoms old libraries, old records, books, parchments - were all in Macedonia and written in Macedonian, and most of it was at Holy Mountain (Sveta Gora), where the Old Christian names of the monastaries are also in Macedonian, not Greek.
    CAN YOU PRESENT SMTH TO PROVE THIS?

    In the middle 19th century, American missionaries went to Holy Mountain and the rest of Macedonia, and too their astonishment, they soon established that in reality the vast majority of Christian population of European Turkey, including the town of Yannina, were Macedonians, and not Greek as they has initially suspected. (Source: Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.132 and p.133
    Yiannina ?

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    • osiris
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 1969

      #77
      terranova surely you know that there were more slavic speaking monastaries in sveta gora during ottoman times than greek.

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      • TerraNova
        Banned
        • Nov 2008
        • 473

        #78
        Originally posted by osiris View Post
        terranova surely you know that there were more slavic speaking monastaries in sveta gora during ottoman times than greek.
        No there were not.
        The fact is ,that in the 19th century the Holy Mountain accepted several thousands of Russian monks.
        They almost all lived in St.Panteleiomon Russian Monastery.
        Their number decreased after 1917.

        Traditionally out of the 20 of Athos, monasteries inhabited by foreigners have also been-
        the Serbian mon: Chilanadariou.
        the Bulgarian: Zografou

        Also one "Skete" (smth like monastery) is Romanian.

        In older times there have also been monasteries of the Amalfeans(of Southern Italy) and Iberians (of Georgia).
        The first was abandoned and destroyed,the second is now inhabited by Greek monks.

        None of them have a slavic,macedonian or whatever name.

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        • Pelister
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2742

          #79
          Macedonian Monasteries on Holy Mountain, taken over and converted by the Greeks.

          St Jovan Krstitel - New Greek name "Dionisie"
          St Blagoveshtenie - New Greek name "Vatopedi"
          Pozdectvo Histovo - New Greek name "Simono Petra"
          Sveto Vovodenie - Now "Hilander"
          St Giorgi - Now "Zograf"
          Sveti Arhangel - New Greek name "Dohearious"
          Uspenie - New Greek name "Iveron"

          and on and on.

          The Greeks copied and forged many documents, and burnt thousounds of precious books, libraries and literature that were written in the Macedonian language.

          Some survived. The earlierst documents from Holy Mountain are writtin in Macedonian, not Greek. The documents of congregation from 1395 signed by 18 Macedonian representatives, in the Macedonian language, should be proof enough.

          According to A. Vacalopoulos, writing about the character of the monestaries on Holy Mountain, write "nearly all the monasteries are Macedonian".

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          • osiris
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 1969

            #80
            so terranova crypto slav does pelisters above post mean anything to you.
            According to A. Vacalopoulos, writing about the character of the monestaries on Holy Mountain, write "nearly all the monasteries are Macedonian".

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            • Risto the Great
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 15658

              #81
              Originally posted by Pelister View Post
              St Jovan Krstitel - New Greek name "Dionisie"
              Get rid of John the Baptist and in its place use the name of the pagan God of wine. Nice.
              Risto the Great
              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13669

                #82
                A Thracian one at that
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • Spartan
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1037

                  #83
                  edit......
                  Last edited by Spartan; 06-22-2010, 04:40 PM.

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                  • TrueMacedonian
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 3810

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Demos View Post
                    The Byzantine Empire was as multi-ethnic as the Roman Empire. However, the prevailing language and culture were Greek/and Greco-Roman and Latin/Roman respectively regardless of a person's ethnic background.

                    With regard to how Greek the Byzantine Empire was, I will say that after the coronation of Charlemagne in 800AD as "Holy Roman Emperor", the kingdoms in Western Europe typically referred to the "Byzantine" Empire as Empire of the Greeks and the Byzantine Emperor as Emperor of the Greeks. Of course this annoyed greatly the Byzantine rulers who saw themselves as the true and legitimate heirs to the Romans.

                    With regard to the last emperor of Byzantium (Constantine Palaiologos) I never recall reading he was of Armenian extract, but instead of Greek (father's side) and Serbian (mother's side) background.

                    Greeks today seen themselves as the inheritors of Byzantine Empire owning to it predominately Greek language and culture, just as the Italians see themselves as the inheritors of the Roman Empire, the Turks to the Ottoman Empire, and the Arabs to the Arabian Caliphate Empire.

                    In all cases the Empires were multi-ethnic, but there was a predominate language and culture in all of them.





                    And what ethnic background was Constantine Dragash???


                    Droysen's 'hellenism' and Paparrigopoulos' use of it have fooled you modern "greeks" into believing that anytime the words "greek" or "hellene" are used that they belong exclusively to your pseudo backwash of a new ethnicity.
                    Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                    • TrueMacedonian
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 3810

                      #85



                      All of Justinians Generals were anything but an ethnic "greek". Especially Chilbudius the SLAV
                      Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                      • TerraNova
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 473

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Pelister View Post
                        Macedonian Monasteries on Holy Mountain, taken over and converted by the Greeks.

                        St Jovan Krstitel - New Greek name "Dionisie"
                        Strangely...Dionysiou Monastery was founded by the monk Dionysios ,and financed by the Emperor of "Trapezounta(Trebzon) Alexios
                        ... a Pontian )
                        St Blagoveshtenie - New Greek name "Vatopedi"
                        "The Monastery of Vatopedi is located on the north-eastern part of the Athos peninsula. It was built in 972, founded by the monks Athanasios, Nicholas and Antonios, all three students of Saint Athanasios the Athonite. Today's buildings were erected during the years of the emperor Manuel the first Komnenon."

                        Pozdectvo Histovo - New Greek name "Simono Petra"
                        Since the 14th century ,when it was founded ,it was called Simonos Petras or just Simonopetra.

                        Sveto Vovodenie - Now "Hilander"
                        "Chelandari lies on the north-east side of the peninsula. Its name is derived probably from the founder of an earlier monastic settlement at this spot, who was called Chelandaris. The monastery was founded in the late 12th century by the Serbian ruler Stephen Nemanya I and his son Rastko. During the 14th century, the monastery reached its highest peak, accumulating riches and heirlooms from imperial as well as private donnations."

                        Sveti Arhangel - New Greek name "Dohearious"
                        "The Monastery of Docheiariou lies on the west side of the promontory and was founded between 1030-1032 by the monk Daniel of Docheiariou."
                        Uspenie - New Greek name "Iveron"
                        "The monastery of Iveron is located on the northeast side of the peninsula. The monastery was founded in the last quarter of the tenth century by John Tornikios, a courtier of David the ruler of Iberia (Georgia)."
                        and on and on.


                        Some survived. The earlierst documents from Holy Mountain are writtin in Macedonian, not Greek. The documents of congregation from 1395 signed by 18 Macedonian representatives, in the Macedonian language, should be proof enough.
                        Are you kidding?
                        Do you have this document,or just heard about it ?

                        There are thousands of manuscripts written in Greek of the 9th,10th,11th,12th,13th century ! (and more of course after that)


                        The first regulation of Athos,was written (in Greek of course) and dates back in the 10th century (its kept in Athos)
                        The second (and i think final) was written by Konstantinos Monomachos -11th century.

                        Of course all the official documents of the Conference of the Monasteries were written in Greek.
                        (Translations in other languages can be found too)

                        According to A. Vacalopoulos, writing about the character of the monestaries on Holy Mountain, write "nearly all the monasteries are Macedonian".
                        Of course-But he didn't mean it in the way you use the term.
                        A little notification-Greeks by Macedonian ,don't refer to you

                        The names you found,are obviously ,Slavic references of the same monasteries,and not the original.

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                        • TerraNova
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 473

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                          Get rid of John the Baptist and in its place use the name of the pagan God of wine. Nice.
                          Dionysios is a name...christian..Greek name of the monk from Kastoria (yes..in Macedonia...)who founded the monastery, helped by the emperor of Trebizond,Alexius (pontian of course)

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                          • Soldier of Macedon
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 13669

                            #88
                            Dionysius is originally a Pagan name, Thracian by origin, and has no meaning in the Greek language. It is not a Greek name by origin, just like Athens, Corinth, etc, are not Greek names by origin nor do they have any meaning in the Greek language.
                            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                            • TerraNova
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 473

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                              Dionysius is originally a Pagan name, Thracian by origin, and has no meaning in the Greek language. It is not a Greek name by origin, just like Athens, Corinth, etc, are not Greek names by origin nor do they have any meaning in the Greek language.
                              Yes...also Yiannis is not a Greek name...and Ilinden is a Jewish revolution (the etymology of Ilia is Elijah...jewish...)

                              Let's be serious.

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                              • TrueMacedonian
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 3810

                                #90
                                Originally posted by TerraNova View Post
                                Yes...also Yiannis is not a Greek name...and Ilinden is a Jewish revolution (the etymology of Ilia is Elijah...jewish...)

                                Let's be serious.

                                And Tsakalov is a real "greek" name too
                                Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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