Macedonian Language in Dictionaries of 16 and 17 century Hieronimus Megiser

[Daskalot]

Has anyone found a copy of the book?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Source: Drazen Budisa Tangra called Macedonian language in 1603 "

http://www.mn.mk/aktuelno/2567-Maked...onimus-Megiser

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Looks interesting. It would be good to obtain a copy of it so we can verify if the language was indeed called Macedonian in 1603.

[George S.]

that link is not there when you click it.That's a dood idea more stuff that vould be archived proving existence of macedonians.

[Soldier of Macedon]

I have checked through this link and downloaded the PDF of Hieronimus Megiser, I can't see any part of the dictionary where it refers to our language as Macedonian, and I haven't been able to find much about this Drazen Budisa Tangra fellow either, who apparently called our language Macedonian in 1603. Have I misunderstood something here?

[ramo]

Hi to all. i found this link where some of Megiser's works are described. But it contains only a samples.

http://www.dfstermole.net/Megiser/Megiserdictys.html

The version in which the Macedonian language should be mentioned should be in the dictionary from 1603. (Thesaurus Polyglottus / Dictionarium Multilingue, 1603). I couldn't find it anywhere on internet in digital format. I found some links from libraries where the dictionary is located.

http://collections.si.edu/search/results.jsp?q=record_ID:siris_sil_156925

http://siris-libraries.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?&profile=all&source=~!silibraries&uri=full=3100001~!418090~!0

http://nektar.oszk.hu/hu/manifestation/2848673

http://aleph.vkol.cz/pub/svk01/00067/15/000671535.htm

Maybe someone close to these locations can obtain a photocopy or photo from some of the pages so we can check if the information is true.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Thanks Ramo, and welcome to the MTO.

Hi to all. i found this link where some of Megiser's works are described. But it contains only a samples.

http://www.dfstermole.net/Megiser/Megiserdictys.html

The version in which the Macedonian language should be mentioned should be in the dictionary from 1603. (Thesaurus Polyglottus / Dictionarium Multilingue, 1603). I couldn't find it anywhere on internet in digital format. I found some links from libraries where the dictionary is located.

http://collections.si.edu/search/res...ris_sil_156925

http://siris-libraries.si.edu/ipac20...001~!418090~!0

http://nektar.oszk.hu/hu/manifestation/2848673

http://aleph.vkol.cz/pub/svk01/00067/15/000671535.htm

Maybe someone close to these locations can obtain a photocopy or photo from some of the pages so we can check if the information is true.

Below is a link to his text, but not the one from 1603:

http://books.google.com/books?id=cTw8AAAAcAAJ&pg=PT110&lpg=PT110&dq=Hieronymus+Megiser&source=bl&ots=Cmbzxs2zco&sig=x7zXxRa7DKhrJhB3zijhDWRgGFc&hl=en&ei=2tqRTPrZAoOUvAOIntiPBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEUQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false

It would be quite a find to have a document that refers to our language as Macedonian from 1603. If what some people have said is true, then we must locate this text.

[Daskalot]

Surely somewhere this book is available to us, lets all work together and visit our local libraries and ask for it.
It is all a matter of time and some work!

Welcome Ramo and thank you for the above information.

[Soldier of Macedon]

On the links that Ramo posted, it keeps mentioning Frankfurt. Perhaps one of our members from Germany can look into it? If there is a place in Australia where it can be obtained I am happy to go and check it out. Otherwise, come on Daskale, you've been known to find sources that we never thought we would get our hands on, you're the magician here!

[ramo]

On the links that Ramo posted, it keeps mentioning Frankfurt. Perhaps one of our members from Germany can look into it? If there is a place in Australia where it can be obtained I am happy to go and check it out. Otherwise, come on Daskale, you've been known to find sources that we never thought we would get our hands on, you're the magician here!

The book is printed in Frankfurt from what i've read. On the last link http://aleph.vkol.cz/pub/svk01/00067/15/000671535.htm it says you can order a scan to be made from the book. It says the prices are 10 dollars + 2.5 dollars per page (approximately). Maybe we can order scan of few pages (2-3) in case no one is able to find the book in some local library and it shouldn't be more than 20 dollars total.

[Daskalot]

I will work my magic, but will not promise anything. I will however find something useful if not the book in question.

[ramo]

Hello to all.

Recently i remembered that i was looking for this book from 1603 some time ago. I checked here to see if anyone has found something. Because probably no one had time and means to locate the book i was referring to, i searched on internet again and found out that Ebooks on demand http://books2ebooks.eu () was able to digitalise this book as electronic pdf version. I saw an offer on their web site that said they have a promotion of about 10 euros per any book until the end of 2012 http://books2ebooks.eu/en.

The University Library in Bratislava offers EOD eBooks for 9.90 euros per book, despite the number of pages, until the end of the year 2012! The campaign price is valid for the books in their collections and subject to the EOD service.

So i decided to order order the book to be digitalized if it was 10 euros. But i received return email that the book was 1600 pages and the cost to make it in electronic version is about 316 euros and they need confirmation to continue with the process. I realized that the offer is valid for limited collection of books not for this one.

So i was wondering if there is a way everyone interested on the forum to donate about 1 euro and some of the administrators of the macedoniantruth forum to take responisibility to receive the donations and order the book because it will be very interesting to see if really there is a western source that names our language Macedonian in the beginning of the 16 century. If you have any other ideas please share them.

[Nexus]

Is it sure that this is the original version of the book?

[ramo]

How do you mean is it the original?

[Nexus]

Nevermind, i just misunderstood something ...

Well, if an administrator volunteer to take the responsability to receive the money and order the book, i will maybe donate a couple of euros. But 316 euros is expensive, especially for an e-book. Try to negociate to obtain it for 9.90 euros, if my eyes are not mistaken, it's written : "The University Library in Bratislava offers EOD eBooks for 9.90 euros per book, despite the number of pages, until the end of the year 2012!".

[ramo]

Here is the page from the book from 1603 . Macedonian is listed as language.