The Athenians were'nt trustworthy of their conquerors.THey were stubborn & did not want to cooperate.IT's obvious that there was so much hatred of their conquerors around.BUt one thing that's for sure they weren't the same people or that Macedonia was a state of greece.Macedonia was a kingdom with a king distinctive from Grecce.
Ancient Historians considered Macedonians as separate & distinct entity!
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"Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Originally posted by WandererIt is known that,Demosthenes had some kind of conflicts with Philip,because Philip had already ''beaten'' him at Macedonian Court.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Wanderer View PostInteresting,but can you show me any other Athenean rhetor,except Demosthenes?It is known that,Demosthenes had some kind of conflicts with Philip,because Philip had already ''beaten'' him at Macedonian Court.
At that time,Athens was in decrease.Rhetors were the ones that were really ruling the city-state.As you know,Atheneans were very sensitive on the freedom of speech.So especially,a famous rhetor could say whatever he wanted,up to a certain point in Ekklisia.
Thank you,
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Here is an eye-opener.
Gandeto, J.S., Difference between ancient Greeks and Macedonains ...
5. See Salonica Terminus by Fred A. Reed, published 1996; Victor Roudometof's The Macedonian Question Colombia University Press, 2000. The most chauvinistic account can be found in Martis' Falsification of Macedonian History, and AP Daskalakis The Hellenism of the Ancient Macedonians 1965
Macedonians did not worship the same Gods as the Greeks either. The fact that many Gods were found worshipped by both peoples can be attributed to the Greek desire to find Greek equivalent God with other people's deities. Pan, Poseidon, Asiris, Hera, Hestia, Themis, Dioscuri have no Greek origin and are not "Greek" Gods, but they all have a Greek equivalent. Besides, aren't all Greek Gods in fact Egyptian Gods? Didn't Herodotus state that? (Hdt.2. 50 (schedon de kai panton ta aunomata to theon ex Aiguptou eleluthe es ten Hellada). See also Hoddinott, The Thracians, 169-70.
Greek equivalents !?
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I would guess that the greeks were colonists & they just took other peoples religion etc & over time called it ther own.Also The process of hellenisation can be said to include people as well,They would consider someone a greek who even spoke the Greek language.One needs to look today to see the absurdity of greek claims,look at greece it can't distinguish between skopje city & macedonia country.It calls Macedonia Skopians or monkeydonians.Macedonians are Macedonian from time immemorial.Where they are native to Macedonia.Where as Greeks are colonisers who arrived at the balkans a couple of thousands of years & were not native to the area.Where did the Greeks come from
they came from the sudan subhara Afrika.So the Greeks over the years have claimed to be all sorts of people.THey have a lot to hide they should be happy with their Afrikan roots.It's not that bad when you think.They shouldn't deny their their ancient roots.
The Macedonians were tall & fair,the greeks were short & black people.Greece is stealing other peoples flags,identity, changing history,making wild claims,taking other people's kings,stealing history,The greeks have been very subtle they accuse macedonia of stealing their history,accuse her of irrendist claims et etc when it's greece should be the one because they have a whole history of trying to masquerade as some one else.Plus Greece has paranoia & is scared of a teensy weensy defenceless country called macedonia.Stop hiding & come out of your closet!"Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Originally posted by GeorgeSWhere did the Greeks come from they came from the sudan subhara Afrika................Macedonians were tall & fair,the greeks were short & black peopleIn the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostGeorge, while I agree with some of what you have written, with the quoted text above you do no Macedonian any favours, as such statements that lack corroboration are counter-productive. We've been down this road before bracko, we appreciate your presence here and want you to advance some of your arguments a little so they can hold more weight and be easier to back-up and defend.http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873
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Jouguet, Pierre., Macedonian Imperialism and the Hellenization of the East, London, 1928
Greek considered the Macedonians to be barbarians.
Now the enemies of Macedon represented the Macedonians as barbarians ... p.68
What is important is to know whether by their culture, sentiments and disposition the Macedonians felt that they were Greeks and were received as such by the Hellenes? It seems fairly certain that they had gradually come to Hellenism rather than that they had originally belonged to it. It is also true that one can speak of the Hellenization of Macedonia. p.68
So little do the Macedonians seems to have belonged to the Hellenic community at the beginning, that they did not take part in the great Games of Greece, and when the Kings of Macedon were admitted to them it was not as Macedonians, but as Heraclids. Isocrates, in the Phillip, praises them for not having imposed their kingship on the Hellenese, to whom kingship is always oppressive, and for having gone among foriegners to establish it. He, therefore, did not regard the Macedonians as Greeks. So too, when after the Sacred War, Phillip obtained a voice in the Delphic Amphictiony, it was given to the King and not to the people of Macedonia. p. 69
Certainly it was not for Greece that the King of Macedon was fighting. p. 394
It is sufficient for our purposes to note that the Hellenes and the Macedonians regarded themselves as different nations ... p.69
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostGeorge, while I agree with some of what you have written, with the quoted text above you do no Macedonian any favours, as such statements that lack corroboration are counter-productive. We've been down this road before bracko, we appreciate your presence here and want you to advance some of your arguments a little so they can hold more weight and be easier to back-up and defend.
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There is a very interesting write up in the latest UMD Issue by Aleksandar Donski.
It has to be one of the greatest revelations I have read in some time.
It about the surviving the texts of ancient Macedonian historians. That's write. Ancient Macedonian historians, and there appears to be 8 newly discovered ancient historians who were all Macedonians.
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Originally posted by Pelister View PostThere is a very interesting write up in the latest UMD Issue by Aleksandar Donski.
It has to be one of the greatest revelations I have read in some time.
It about the surviving the texts of ancient Macedonian historians. That's write. Ancient Macedonian historians, and there appears to be 8 newly discovered ancient historians who were all Macedonians.
I hope he redeems himself from his last book. If he can truly interpret these pages correctly I would love to know what is written from these ancient Macedonian writers. It's funny because I found an old topic on Maknews pertaining to this and asked if Donski found our smoking gun yet.Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!
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