Velika Popovska 64 year old woman turned away from Greek border 10th July 2012

[Phoenix]

It is all part of the broader field that was my life's work and continues to be my preoccupation.

Well Angliski, I suggest you be a little bit more 'up-front' with us and declare this preoccupation you have...perhaps it will present your prespective in a more favourable light amongst the 'natives' here...

I have a feeling it's quite an all consuming type of preoccupation...it must be 5:30am in your part of the world and here you are going hammer and tongs...

[Angliski]

Think of me as you will, good Phoenix, I am pleased to be thought about in any respect ( or no respect at all).

In my part of the world it is exactly 12:49 in the afternoon and your reference to " hammer and tongs" only makes me think of my childhood dentist, Dom "Mad Dog" De Carlo, from whose efforts I have yet to completely recover some 55 years later.

[Phoenix]

Think of me as you will, good Phoenix, I am pleased to be thought about in any respect ( or no respect at all).

In my part of the world it is exactly 12:49 in the afternoon and your reference to " hammer and tongs" only makes me think of my childhood dentist, Dom "Mad Dog" De Carlo, from whose efforts I have yet to completely recover some 55 years later.

Aahhh, still in Ellada prof...?

[Angliski]

I honestly and sincerely have no idea what " question" you are referring to, Vangelovski. I am not shy about answering any question regarding my posts. Nor do I have any intention of sifting through the tedious detritus of ephemeral posts - including my posts- to mine the interrogative gold nugget that you're referring to. Pity my simplicity and sloth and ask your question again with Christian charity for the afflicted.


(going back over old posts is always like a dog returning to his vomit, Denken Sie auch oder nicht?)

[George S.]

i find no meaning to the discussion with angliski.i can see us not getting anywhere.There is nothing that we can relate on.

[Vangelovski]

I honestly and sincerely have no idea what " question" you are referring to, Vangelovski. I am not shy about answering any question regarding my posts. Nor do I have any intention of sifting through the tedious detritus of ephemeral posts - including my posts- to mine the interrogative gold nugget that you're referring to. Pity my simplicity and sloth and ask your question again with Christian charity for the afflicted.


(going back over old posts is always like a dog returning to his vomit, Denken Sie auch oder nicht?)

You came on here suggesting Macedonians "forget" in order to move forward. Then you alluded to some dispute. Which dispute are you referring to and what exactly would you like Macedonians to "forget" in order to move "forward"?

Don't make yourself out to be a bigger fool that you already have.

[Sime]

Gee imagine all this from a little old lady from Australia (my Mother). All she wanted was to go HOME.all she wanted was to enjoy the sweet air, the sounds she grew up around of persons liaising with each other. remembering a large tree maybe that was dropping leaves in the wind. listening to birds flying over head. catching up with RELATIVES that she will see no more.
To take 10 minutes of each day to absorb as much as the beautiful country she was BORN in so she can remember these and head back to her adopted country and pass on her feelings of enjoyment to the people around her and more importantly for herself.


So you say not to hold a grudge to greece. That we can learn from them.

WE LEARNT ENOUGH.

We do not want greece to give us there land. We want what was ours.
We want the land WE were born in.
We want the land that our forefathers sang songs to in the fields while they worked so hard to provide.
We want the land that we laughed , bleed,fought and cried over.

We want to be recognised as a beautiful people in our own land. Free from a modern genocide.

I find one thing rather amusing. Why is it ( and please can anyone educate me on this) Is there a funny blue line running through northern greece on google earth, that just so happens to follow the ORIGINAL Macedonian borders?
And why is it that in the same blue there is written east, central , west Macedonia?
If this place was really greece should there not be anything at all ?
Isnt it funny that the maps I grew up to know of MACEDONIA just so happens to fall into the same place.


It really is a shame that I do not have the same vocabulary as my sister and some other very good persons on this site (RTG, Vangelovski, George.S to name but a few). I am no scholar of journalism or of the engish language.

BUT.
I KNOW
WHO
I
AM.

I AM MACEDONIAN.

[Angliski]

We have long- owned a charming little house by the sea in Golden Greece of Historical and Cultural Perfection ( GGOHACP), dear Phoenix, to which we return during the summer months. You would be most welcome to visit and talk and consider and to look together out into the distant horizon which would raise both our perceptions.

Is everyone who has anything to do with filthy grease your mortal enemy?

[Vangelovski]

We have long- owned a charming little house by the sea in Golden Greece of Historical and Cultural Perfection ( GGOHACP), dear Phoenix, to which we return during the summer months. You would be most welcome to visit and talk and consider and to look together out into the distant horizon which would raise both our perceptions.

Is everyone who has anything to do with filthy grease your mortal enemy?

You sure that house is by the sea and not in some backwater xenophobic inland village where your gjysh and gjyshe come from?

[Angliski]

Got ya, Phoenix. As I said quite clearly, "forgetting" has to do with balm for the human mind. If you can find where I recommended it singularly for the Macedonians, I will gladly return to my vomit and eat my words.

The only "dispute" between Greece and Macedonia that I know about is the name dispute that refers to the Interim Agreement, and its evolution, so of course I was referring to that. Reading posts on these sites, however, I become aware that there other issues for some people.

Does that answer your question? If not, I will try again with your permission and gracious patience.

[Phoenix]

We have long- owned a charming little house by the sea in Golden Greece of Historical and Cultural Perfection ( GGOHACP), dear Phoenix, to which we return during the summer months. You would be most welcome to visit and talk and consider and to look together out into the distant horizon which would raise both our perceptions.

Is everyone who has anything to do with filthy grease your mortal enemy?

I appreciate your kind offer prof but in all honesty I'd rather meet you in that wonderful northern metropolis of Toronto, the place in my heart that's closest to my Melbourne...although a good friend of mine and greek none the less, has extended a similar invitation to visit his other 'home' in Tripoli...maybe one day?

[Angliski]

to the best of my observation, the name dispute with Macedonia has been relegated to diplomatic corridors in the EU and NATO. I never hear anything spoken about it here by any Greek friends or acquaintances, educated or not. Some, I suspect, don't even know anything about it. I don't doubt for a moment that there are ignorant and barbaric Greeks who express their opinions with vulgarity regarding this matter. Thankfully I have never come across them. But I must say I am somewhat taken aback by the vulgarity and searing hatred that I have read on this and other sites.

As to my own background, I was born in Kenya of a black father and a white mother. I was pleased to recently learn that that biography does not keep one from becoming President of the United States.

[julie]

Gee imagine all this from a little old lady from Australia (my Mother). All she wanted was to go HOME.all she wanted was to enjoy the sweet air, the sounds she grew up around of persons liaising with each other. remembering a large tree maybe that was dropping leaves in the wind. listening to birds flying over head. catching up with RELATIVES that she will see no more.
To take 10 minutes of each day to absorb as much as the beautiful country she was BORN in so she can remember these and head back to her adopted country and pass on her feelings of enjoyment to the people around her and more importantly for herself.


So you say not to hold a grudge to greece. That we can learn from them.

WE LEARNT ENOUGH.

We do not want greece to give us there land. We want what was ours.
We want the land WE were born in.
We want the land that our forefathers sang songs to in the fields while they worked so hard to provide.
We want the land that we laughed , bleed,fought and cried over.

We want to be recognised as a beautiful people in our own land. Free from a modern genocide.

I find one thing rather amusing. Why is it ( and please can anyone educate me on this) Is there a funny blue line running through northern greece on google earth, that just so happens to follow the ORIGINAL Macedonian borders?
And why is it that in the same blue there is written east, central , west Macedonia?
If this place was really greece should there not be anything at all ?
Isnt it funny that the maps I grew up to know of MACEDONIA just so happens to fall into the same place.


It really is a shame that I do not have the same vocabulary as my sister and some other very good persons on this site (RTG, Vangelovski, George.S to name but a few). I am no scholar of journalism or of the engish language.

BUT.
I KNOW
WHO
I
AM.

I AM MACEDONIAN.

My beautiful brother, those words have me in tears, so emotive and so very true, and no one could have ever said it better

Because we both know of her devastation, at never going home again

[julie]

Angliski, I asked you nicely before, then I asked you to stop posting your crap, and now I am telling you to fuck off this thread for Velika and take your bullshit eleswhere you lying greek assed gjuptin

[Angliski]

By the way, Phoenix, if I can master the technology on my iPad, I will send you a picture from our house looking out to the blue and turqoise sea of Perfect Greece which migh clam the beast that seems to be raging in your soul.

Of course, it occurs to me that you might think that since they faked the moon landing pictures that they took in a studio in L.A., these pictures migh be photo- shopped, too. "Paranoia" might be a Greek word but it is consumed, wolfed down actually, in the Backward Balkans with relish, and I suspect even when the relish is in short supply.