FAZ 2.8.12 - die geschichte einer fast vergessenen vertreibung

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  • lavce pelagonski
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 1993

    #16
    Macedonia in an event of war can muster at least 60k soldiers that would include people serving in the military, that have served and younger people which would have no choice but to serve in the army. This is what the ARM has on their website it has been a while since I last checked.
    Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

    „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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    • lavce pelagonski
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 1993

      #17
      7k would be professionals.
      Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

      „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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      • makedonche
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2008
        • 3242

        #18
        Louis

        Ms. Bakoyannis: A compromise is just that, on which we work. We are talking about the geographical region called Macedonia, which is located in the heart of the Balkans is a very sensitive area burdened by history. The name "Macedonia" is not exclusively associated with a particular country. I always used to describe a larger geographical area, from which about 51% belongs to Greece, in Macedonia 38% and 9% in Bulgaria. What it says is that Greece is the monopolization of the name "Macedonia" by a single state does not contribute to regional stability and therefore should be taken into account the geographical reality. This is reflected in two decisions of the Security Council of the United Nations and one of the General Assembly. We push our friends in Skopje to come together here in a long and late, accepted by both sides, a solution of a compound name, which will include the geographical term "Macedonia", but also makes clear the separation of wider geographic area.
        Since it has been pointed out by Bakoyannis that "51% belongs to Greeece", please explain how Greece managed to acquire that 51%, here's a clue for you - you may want to google "treaty of Bucharest", therefore the simplest solution would be to hand back the 51% and the name dispute no longer neds to involve Greece.
        On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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        • George S.
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 10116

          #19
          zak you tube shows greece has that manpower * other journals.what you are doubting that.A 10 million people country should gave military of 500k.
          The Greek military comprises around 170,000 active personnel paid by the state, with a further 280,000 in the reserve forces. Maybe instead of heaping ever more misery on the Greek private sector in an effort to pay for the very high Greek public spending the government should take a look at this cost.
          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
          GOTSE DELCEV

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          • Zakynthian
            Junior Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 61

            #20
            Originally posted by George S. View Post
            zak you tube shows greece has that manpower
            no comment
            From the Greeks of old whose dying
            brought to life and spirit free
            now with ancient valour rising
            let us hail you, oh Liberty!

            (Dionisios Solomos, Hymn to Liberty, 1823)

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            • DraganOfStip
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 1253

              #21
              Originally posted by Zakynthian View Post
              no comment
              Zak,leave YouTube aside.Honestly,as Makedonche points out:Greece possesses 51% of Macedonia only since 1913,and it acquired it by means of war,against the will of the Macedonian people.What is unclear here?
              ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
              ― George Orwell

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              • Louis
                Banned
                • Jun 2012
                • 109

                #22
                The Greek Armed Forces have active personnel of 180,000 people. In case of war the Hellenic Army alone mobilizes an additional 150,000 people. I don’t know the reserves for Navy and Air force.

                Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                Louis

                Since it has been pointed out by Bakoyannis that "51% belongs to Greeece", please explain how Greece managed to acquire that 51%, here's a clue for you - you may want to google "treaty of Bucharest", therefore the simplest solution would be to hand back the 51% and the name dispute no longer neds to involve Greece.
                Yeah, an alternative is that you hand yourselves to Albania and Bulgaria. That solves both the name dispute AND the interethnic clashes and saves your people from learning foreign languages.

                Originally posted by DraganOfStip View Post
                Zak,leave YouTube aside.Honestly,as Makedonche points out:Greece possesses 51% of Macedonia only since 1913,and it acquired it by means of war,against the will of the Macedonian people.What is unclear here?
                What is unclear? The "against the will of the Macedonian people" maybe?

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                • makedonche
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 3242

                  #23
                  Louis

                  Yeah, an alternative is that you hand yourselves to Albania and Bulgaria. That solves both the name dispute AND the interethnic clashes and saves your people from learning foreign languages.
                  That may be an alternative for you and your likes which you have been used to - demanding/extorting/stealing and acquiring by any means available. If we are to apply your methodology and take your approach and be selfish and inhumane and deny people the right to self identify amongst many other things, then here's a suggestion for you and your kind - go and dig a very deep hole and all of you can jump in committ suicide and the entire world will be rid of a financially and morally bankrupt group of confused platesmashers who beleive they are something they are truly not! Then we will solve the name dispute, the Eurozone crisis, falsifaction of history, fraudulent behaviour.......just to name a few benefits for mankind in general!
                  However if you truly desire an amicable solution to the name dispute in a more civilised manner in accordance with international standards and law.....feel free to provide that alternative, otherwise adopt the first recommendation I have provided you!
                  On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                  • DraganOfStip
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 1253

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Louis View Post
                    What is unclear? The "against the will of the Macedonian people" maybe?
                    What do you find unclear in "against the will of the Macedonian people"?Macedonians fought alongside Greeks,Serbs and Bulgarians against the Ottomans in 1912,believing they were there to help them expel the Ottomans and free the Balkans from their yoke.Instead,the 3 mentioned countries only replaced the Ottomans as occupiers in a newly divided country,something like Germany at the end of WWII divided in American,British,French and Soviet occupying zone.And no one asked the Macedonian people anything.Is that enough explained for you or do I have to draw it out for you?
                    ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                    ― George Orwell

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