Velika Popovska 64 year old woman turned away from Greek border 10th July 2012

[George S.]

Angliski thank you for your contribution we didn't understand a word you said.You havent made sense on anything you have said & god forbid i don't want to waste my time.May i direct you to one of your malaka websites you can pollute their threads all you want.
Your rants & raves are a TOTAL waste of CRAP.Please don't waste your time here.You have lied your way here with pure bs & outright lying so there is a fucking door there an exit use it & fuck off never to darken our portals again.If seeing what you have said & breaking out some bullshit story about being from kenya i don't beleive a word you say.

[Big Bad Sven]

Does this mean you don't want me to send you a picture of
my dead Greek grandfather ( who thought he was a Scottish Highlander from Inverness, the fool!) in the backward mountain village where we have been marrying our sisters for the last couple of centuries? We took the picture on the iPad but can't figure out how to send it. If any of you can tell me how, I will do so ( come on! You know you wanna see it, and we went to so much trouble to fake the sea and sky).

My father used to tell me i was a Hungarian and that our ancestors were the royal family of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. However one fateful day i decided to be brave and look in the mirror for the first time in my life, and lo and behold, i saw a black man in the reflection!
Startled about finding out who i really was, i ran outside and howled at the moon.

This passage in the bible summarizes my life:

A young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they seized him. But he pulled free of the linen sheet and escaped naked
Mark 14:51

[Big Bad Sven]

To get slightly back on topic......

What is up with the australian government being in bed with the grks? I thought this would have stopped by now but seems to be going still.

Is it because of the large grk diaspora in australia and their influence through lobbies? Or is it because the King of England is some pedo-incest grk?

I find it shameful that the australian government recognizes kosovo in a day and supports muslim terrorists in the middle east yet wont do anything to help some of its loyal australian-macedonian citizens to simply return to their home. Something is not right.....

[Angliski]

Thank you for your powerful and analytical response to my posts, Rogi. In the technological version of " the dog ate my homework," the iPad I am working disappeared a response I had gone half way through. I will switch to a desk- top in a few hours where I will absolutely trash your arguments, completely devastate the phoney FYROM position on the name issue so completely as to send you Slavs back to Mongolia so the Greeks can restablish the Byzantine Empire! I will also reveal that my true name is Stavropopoulos Magamonopoleos and my true purpose here, which you have seen through (Damn you!!) is to crush you and your people for all time. Beware and cringe Slavic dog!! Beware and cringe!!

I hope you will se the above as a joke, funny or not, and I will really try to get back to you later.

[Angliski]

On further reflection, Rogi, I see no reason and feel no obligation to explain or defend my words further. I let them stand as they are. You can interpret them as you think, and what you think, you have made clear. thank you. You are, of course, equally at liberty to ascribe any purpose to my motives.

Thank you for your advice. My advice to you is that you are surrounded by enemies who want to trick and ridicule you. trust no one my Balkan friend! And beware!

[Carlin]

As an elaboration, Phoenix, I am not a naïf on the way to the Eaton Centre who just decided to drop in because it looked comfortable here. I am a retired journalist and professor who has some awareness, of and interest in, the Balkans area though that is not my field.

With respect to your question Regarding the Greece/Macedonia name dispute and it's solution, the mechanisms for a solution have been in place for many years. In these cases, a solution normally comes after mutual good-will, compromise, pressure or capitulation. None of these elements figure in the name dispute yet.

I am not here as an advocate. As a former student of Chomskey's, however, I am passionate about facts because I think they are the only things that keep us from descent into madness (a condition that some would say we have already reached as a species). The good news is that I am agreeable to correction when proved wrong (Keynes also said, "When the facts change, I change my opinion").

The Macedonian issue interests me particularly because it is a late development of a national entity taking place well after the years of the creation of the nation state and affords us the opportunity to understand the critical and powerful process further. It is terribly interesting.

I hope that this post is clear in most respects and that it is not taken as condescending or antagonistic, neither of which it is meant to be.

All the best,

"When the facts change, I change my opinion"

Mr. Angliski, why does modern scholarship in Europe and Greece continue to teach the myth that modern Greeks are descendants of ancient Hellenes?

A noteworthy remark about "Arvanites, Vlachs and Slavs" by the President of National Council of Education in Greece.

http://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/pub...st/009689.html

http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_...08/2008_280821

Professor Thanos Veremis, President of Greece's National Council of Education and founding member of the influential think-tank Hellenic Foundation for Defence and Foreign Policy (better known by its Greek acronym, ELIAMEP) made the following statement:

"Unfortunately, we (Greeks) are deeply conservative as a society. This (ethnic) homogeneity has been harmful (to us). The situation during the 19th century was different. It was rather fortunate that at that time Koraes and others had the inspiration to connect us with Ancient Hellas (an undertaking) which became the main (pre)occupation of the newly born State. In those days, there were Arvanites, Vlachs and Slavs. All of them had to become (part of) one (national body). And so they became. But this is not to say that in this day and age (we/they) should be under the illusion that (we/they) are descendants of Pericles. This (assimilating process of ethnic/national homogenization) might have been helpful before -even though we could not avoid a civil war- but it does not help us nowadays. Today we are not alone. We are surrounded by many neighbors. The (Greek) society must adapt (?to new realities) instead of remaining insular and introvert."

Modern Greeks are of Vlach, Albanian, and Slavic descent (this is now a scientific and historical fact which can't be hidden) - yet they deny the right to "others" to identify as they please.

All the best!

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17&page=30

[Angliski]

@Rogi:

OK, a little elaboration for the fun of it. Because of their history, Balkan sates have developed a sense of victimization and feelings of terrible injustice against each others' people. Take any combination you like: Albanians against Serbs and vice versa, Greeks against Bulgarians and vice versa, Bulgarians against Turks and vice versa, Greeks against Turks and vice versa. These are wounds that will never heal if they keep being picked at. They have no resolution. When I talked about the distortion of memory and the importance of forgetting, I had in mind the alliance that has been constructed between Greece and Bulgaria, two countries with an incredibly brutal history, each blaming the other for savage acts against its people. I gave examples of France and Germany and, in a far and distant mirror, England and France. I stand by the sentiment and the examples as the only way "forward" towards the resolution of a dispute or conflict or whatever you call it.

Incidentally, if you think Nurmberg hasn't been forgotten, you may be missing a point. The trials had nothing to do with "morality" or the "moral high ground" and everything to do with the victor punishing the loser in the war. The "lesson" of Nuremberg is that the powerful can act with impunity. It has been well-learned and is fully in practice today.

I repeat that I am taken aback by the searing hatred towards Greece and the Greeks that I often read on diaspora sites. There are ample examples on this site, perhaps you are immune to the sentiment. It is a puzzle to me. I don't read Greek sites, if there are any, but it is a black passion that I have yet to come across in Greece. The Greeks usually reserve such hatred for each other.

I just looked over your post and the rest of it has nothing to do with me. You are in it wresting with your own demons and I leave you to it.

I especially liked your paranoid accusation "you are here, indeed, with a purpose.." It makes me think that all the Balkan countries, Greece included, should have stayed with the Ottomans. I doubt the Turks would want any of them now.

[George S.]

Angliski your a fake stop wasting our time you are not what you make out to be.Please use the door & dissappear.Take this as good advice & dissapear sooner than later.
Your a nazi retard you have insulted us by referring to us by the term FYROM.We are not fyrom what are we macedonians.You nazi retard kindly desist & go................................................ .........to hell as

[Angliski]

Read the FYROM post again, George S. Did you notice the word "Joke" at the bottom? It was a dig at Rogi's post where he sees the devil everywhere and salvation nowhere.

[Vangelovski]

Angliski,

You're smoking the 'soul balm' again. You keep rambling on about "forgetting", but are unable to explain exactly what Macedonians are mean't to forget in relation to Greece's attempt to violate our fundamental human rights by denying us the right to identify as we choose. Greece does not want us to use the terms 'Macedonia' and 'Macedonian(s)". That is our inalienable right. Not only because it is our historic identity, but simply because as human beings, we are entitled to call ourselves (individually and collectively) as we please. Greece has no business telling us how we can or cannot identify. I won't even go into the other issues from here on end.

The only thing that Macedonians can "forget" in this instance is their fundamental human rights and their identity. In what universe is that acceptable? None. Not even when you're smoking 'soul balm'.

But we already know that you are a perverted and wretched racist fool and further proof was your comments on the Nuremberg trials which were an implicit defence of the abominations committed by the Nazis.

The only media you could have ever worked for (if you even were a journalist) is the Golden Dawn newsletter (if they even have one).

As you've contributed nothing more than vague and hallucinatory concepts such as "forgetting", moving "forward" and "soul balm" without explaining anything further in a rabid attempt to create confusion over an important issue, you're gone. Don't come back.

[Risto the Great]

Angliski, Rogi's breakdown of your approach on this forum was spot on the mark.
As was Phoenix's and a few others.

You were the first person to introduce the name dispute's consequences as being tit for tat exchanges.

You mentioned national injustices and described them as inevitable:

Regarding national “injustices,” they are an inevitable part of tribal and national relationships, especially in the Balkans with their conflicting tribes, narrow spaces, external interference, political, geographic and economic isolation and weaknesses and, of course, shifting borders. Every Balkan state (pick any one) has both sinned and been sinned against.

Would you care to elaborate on your generalisations? What precisely have the Macedonian sins been? I would like you to also include my tribe in your assessment, the Macedonians of what is now Greece. It would appear their sins of close to 100 years ago precludes them from entering Greece to this very day.

It would be nice to see you stretch yourself ever so slightly and then continue to elaborate on what the Greek sins have been. You may choose to call them tits or tats but it would be nice to see you lower your guard ever so slightly and cease with your attempts to trivialise these issues.

How do you accept injustices in your life Angliski? Are there some injustices that extend far beyond mere acceptance? One would imagine if someone killed your grandchildren because they are 1/8th black that you would not accept this as an inevitable part of injustices against minorities in this day and age. Help me out with this one? It seems you might accept anything.

Perhaps you might find one of your own quotes this time. But please understand your vague generalisations will not be tolerated on this forum any more. Either use your intelligence for factual dialogue or you will be banned. In my mind your agenda is more than clear.

[Tomche Makedonche]

OK, so I now request that the administrators please move the exchange with Angliski and his posts in general to a new thread designated specifically for him, I would hate for anyone, who is led to this thread upon hearing of Mrs Popovska’s situation, to have to encounter whatever this exchange is (sorry I don’t think the word conversation can apply in this scenario).

I think we all can agree that the situation calls for a little bit more respect for Mrs Popovska, Julie and Sime.

Angliski: Кучината да се посерат на мајкати пичката за што ти роди….just jokes

[George S.]

You didn't say that you fucking moron you said your words still stand."""On further reflection, Rogi, I see no reason and feel no obligation to explain or defend my words further. I let them stand as they are. You can interpret them as you think, and what you think, you have made clear. thank you. You are, of course, equally at liberty to ascribe any purpose to my motives.

Thank you for your advice. My advice to you is that you are surrounded by enemies who want to trick and ridicule you. trust no one my Balkan friend! And beware!""
So you have INSULTED US WITH your FYROM insults you retard.

Guess what rogi was showing the door to you moron use it.Also you are a retarde Nazi that can't remmber anything use the fucking door.
Also you did insult us with your fyrom in a subtle way of denial you retarded nazi.

[George S.]

angliski you know buggerall as you try & lump the macedonians with the greeks albanians serbs etc you are totaly wrong get off you retard.
so macedonia is not a victim of greece by your definition.get a brain stop smoking the shit.
You have come down from your malaka forums to give us the shits as you know jack shit.You can't even be relevant you moron.Good fucking riddance.
Tomche i find the guy codescending & at the same time he insults us.he says he knows about the name issue when he doesn't.He's deliberately oime to either mislead us or to find out how much we know.

[Risto the Great]

I regret Angliski's departure. It was starting to be fun watching him squirm around the fundamental injustices perpetrated against the Macedonians. He could't really cope with the scrutiny.