Golden Dawn Spokesman goes crazy.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by EgejskaMakedonia

I've realised quite a few Macedonians and Balkan people in general seem to idolise the fascist way, who knows why...

Its a trend that makes them feel like sick cunts (pardon my language but its a phrase used in Australia meaning cool, hip, don't mess with me attitude)

But usually people like Ramses have no idea of the true situation and just follow blindly because appearance (of a sick gangster) is more appealing than reality and truth which they know nothing about.

Ramses.....did you read up on Walter Hallstein via the link i gave you? or are you to cool for reading.

[SirGeorge8600]

As a libertarian I certainly hope that the Greek nation is not built upon hatred. In honestly I can tell you that our nation is built upon politicians and bankers wanting golden dick from the EU ;-). As for the Greek neo-nazi party, I have stated before that it needs to be destroyed. I certainly hope that this embarrassment of the Golden Dawn leader makes it his last reputational stance.

All in all, the Greek government is hated by the common people of Greece. This is important because the Greek government is responsible for all this anti-Macedonian crap. Go ahead and buy a Greek textbook from the 70's or 80s on eBay or wherever; you will see that they have Macedonia perfectly labelled on the maps, even under Yogoslavic occupation. It is clear that this whole "Fyrom" thing is a modern propaganda. So it is good that people are protesting and demanding the fall of the modern Greek government,

[SirGeorge8600]

@makedonche To be fair Macedonia has a crap-load of Albanian minorities, and even many who have assimilated themselves into Macedonians. I guess these people are the migrants of the Balkans. As for independent Greece's first leader, was he not a German by the name of Otto?

[SirGeorge8600]

Originally Posted by EgejskaMakedonia

Funny you should praise Hitler Ramses when he despised Macedonians as well. Perhaps if he'd won the war, you would boast how good of a leader he is from your prison cell, or even from beyond the grave. Don't forget that he wanted an Aryan race, and Macedonians weren't exactly part of this scheme.

I disagree with some things the Jewish people are doing in our modern society, but that isn't an excuse to essentially state that 'Hitler should've finished the job.'

I've realised quite a few Macedonians and Balkan people in general seem to idolise the fascist way, who knows why...

This man holds a ton of truth. Indeed the Balkans need to be cleansed of nationalism....I mean hell even Western Europe is making fun of us for it. Truth is that is that if the Nazi's had won the war, all of us "Balkaners" would have been second-class citizens.... nothing more.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

@makedonche To be fair Macedonia has a crap-load of Albanian minorities, and even many who have assimilated themselves into Macedonians.

Thats not true.

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

As for independent Greece's first leader, was he not a German by the name of Otto?

No....he's talking about an Albanian by the name of Kountouriotis

[United MKD]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

@makedonche To be fair Macedonia has a crap-load of Albanian minorities, and even many who have assimilated themselves into Macedonians.

No, this has not happened.

[SirGeorge8600]

Sorry if it was misunderstood, I did not mean to imply that the Macedonian government assimilated these people, but I believe every country has a certain amount of immigrants who will attempt to change their identity (names and passports) to easier become citizens in the country that they attempt to reside in.

As for Kountouriotis, I googled this individual. Say's he comes from an Arvanite family but regarded himself as Greek. Not to be rude to patriotic Albanians and Greeks, but doing some research not much is known of his family background, so why do both sides make such an emphasis to claim him into their ethnicity? It says that his grandfather declared his birth in Hydra, Ottoman Empire not what is today Greece. Doesn't sound like the patriotic Greeks under the Ottoman empire who would never do such a thing. So for all we know he could be Turkish.

[makgerman]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

....Sorry if it was misunderstood, I did not mean to imply that the Macedonian government assimilated these people, but I believe every country has a certain amount of immigrants who will attempt to change their identity (names and passports) to easier become citizens in the country that they attempt to reside in.
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This statement is totally incorrect if one is to compare Macedonia with with it's neighbours.

In today's Greek & Bulgarian parts of Macedonia all of the Macedonians weren't and still aren't allowed to declare themselves as Macedonians.

The Greek churches & governments have not allowed the Macedonians to christen their children in Macedonian. I don't think it has changed.

The Macedonians who remained weren't immigrants so the reason to become citizens isn't a valid argument.

Macedonia has never forced or insisted on anyone changing their names to become Macedonian citizens. I cannot think of one single Albanian, Serbian, Bosnian, Turk, Croatian person to do so.

There are Macedonian Torbeshi who have changed their names to Muslim with the "ski" added to their surname.

The only very few who may claim are some Roma people in the early sixties, eg Esma Redzhepova & Muharem Serbezovski. Again, not one of them were forced to do so by the Macedonian governments.

[SirGeorge8600]

Good sir, you speak of Greek churches. As a non-religious person myself I would like to add that the Greek Orthodox church is a big churning of utter bullshit. However, I am not an anti-thiest and am currently working closely with a Macedonian priest friend of mine to fight the Australian governments persecution of the Macedonian Orthodox Church. As the French philosopher Voltaire would say, "I may disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

As for your direct response, I do not see that I am wrong. Please note that I comment on individuals and not sovereigns. I believe I stand corrected when I say that there are great amounts of immigrants in every country (including Macedonia) that attempt to assimilate themselves. Oh well. I just hope that the Macedonian government grows some balls and tells these Albanian minorities to fuck off. and stop trying to Albanize what isn't theirs.

Peace.

[makedonche]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

@makedonche To be fair Macedonia has a crap-load of Albanian minorities, and even many who have assimilated themselves into Macedonians. I guess these people are the migrants of the Balkans. As for independent Greece's first leader, was he not a German by the name of Otto?

SirGeorge8600
Who was the first President..........not the first leader.