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  • Niko777
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 1895

    North Macedonia's twitter account updated, new logo: https://twitter.com/vladamk

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    • Vangelovski
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 8531

      Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
      North Macedonia's twitter account updated, new logo: https://twitter.com/vladamk
      Its good its in Albanian too - just in case there's any confusion as to whom the state belongs. Seeing the Macedonian language version makes me uncomfortable though - bit nationalistic don't you think?

      P.S. Have I crossed the sarcastic line?
      If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

      The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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      • Tomche Makedonche
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 1123

        Macedonia now officially North Macedonia



        Macedonia now officially North Macedonia

        Macedonia's government says the country is now officially renamed North Macedonia, under an agreement to normalise relations with Greece that also allows Macedonia to enter NATO.

        A government press release says that as of Tuesday, the country is officially called the Republic of North Macedonia.

        A government official said the decision would be published in the government gazette later on Tuesday.

        As of Wednesday, the new name will be incorporated in official road signs - starting with one on the border with Greece, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

        The name change resolves a dispute with neighbouring Greece that has gone back decades.
        “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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        • Tomche Makedonche
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2011
          • 1123


          Macedonia officially changes its name to North Macedonia

          Freshly named country has flag-raising ceremony, marking prospective accession to Nato

          After almost three decades of diplomatic dispute, punctuated by high drama with Greece, a new state called North Macedonia has finally assumed its place on the map of western Balkan nations.

          The freshly named country celebrated the event with a flag-raising ceremony marking its prospective – and long-awaited – accession to Nato. Under cloudy skies, the military alliance’s distinctive flag was hoisted outside the main government building in Skopje, the former Yugoslav republic’s capital.

          Addressing assembled dignitaries in front of the building where workers were poised to replace a Republic of Macedonia sign removed earlier in the week with the state’s new name, prime minister Zoran Zaev luxuriated in the moment, saying a “historic goal” had been achieved.

          “Long live the Republic of North Macedonia,” the social democrat leader tweeted.

          As a result of its new name, North Macedonia could finally join Nato – a long-held dream for the small, multi-ethnic country which only narrowly escaped civil war in 2001.

          Athens had blocked Skopje’s membership of the alliance arguing its northern neighbour’s use of the name without geographic qualification amounted to theft of its own history, identity and cultural heritage.

          The Greek province of Macedonia, abutting the tiny republic, has long been associated with Alexander the Great, the most famous Macedonian of all. Successive Greek governments had insisted the landlocked state’s determination to be known as Macedonia implied territorial ambitions against the Greek region.

          Under the landmark pact struck last year between Zaev and his leftwing counterpart in Athens, Alexis Tsipras, Greek MPs became the first Nato member parliament on Friday to pass a protocol agreement paving the way to North Macedonia’s entry into the alliance.

          The strategic Balkan state will become Nato’s 30th member once ratified by other signatories – a prospect slammed by Russia which regards the Balkans as a traditional sphere of influence.

          In a last move that effectively crossed the rubicon, the Greek government sent a diplomatic note late on Wednesday informing Skopje that, with passage of the historic accord and Nato protocol, it had officially fulfilled its side of the deal.

          With the United Nations poised to be informed of the name change, Macedonian authorities will have five years to alter the country’s name both domestically and internationally but, as in Greece where the compromise accord ignited fierce protests, opposition has been intense.

          “Everything from official documents to passports will be changed,” said Athens’ deputy foreign minister, George Katrougalos, noting that over 1,000 signs with the republic’s new name had been ordered.

          One of the first appellations to be altered will be at the border crossing North Macedonia shares with its neighbour to the south.

          “There will be changes on our side, too, but nothing like the challenge faced by them,” the Greek foreign ministry’s spokesman, Alexandros Yennimatas, told the Guardian. “A circular has been sent to [our] public and local administration informing them to adopt the new name.”

          Implementation will not be easy. Many Macedonians feel humiliated by the compromise with 60% failing to vote on the issue when put to referendum in September. Opponents have been incited to take to the streets and deface signs bearing the republic’s new moniker by the nationalist VMRO main opposition party.

          Within an hour of Skopje receiving the notice from Athens, Nikola Dimitrov, the republic’s foreign affairs minister, tweeted: “May today be the beginning of a long friendship between Greece and North Macedonia. We can’t change our past, but we can and we will shape our future of friendship, partnership and cooperation.”
          Last edited by Tomche Makedonche; 02-12-2019, 06:45 PM.
          “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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          • Niko777
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2010
            • 1895







            More photos: https://www.mkd.mk/galerii/na-bogoro...a-makedonija#1

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            • Niko777
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2010
              • 1895

              Now the country is both "North Macedonia" and "Fyrom"

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              • JPMKD
                Member
                • Mar 2016
                • 101

                Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
                Now the country is both "North Macedonia" and "Fyrom"

                Sweet, because the ONE thing is it not is Macedonia. Screw those traitorous and apathetic idiots who let it occur. I am in the position that hey, they have given up on Macedonians outside the Republic, well some of us have given up on them. I can;t wait until they partition the place and get this misery over.....
                Am I being too negavtive?????? Ne bre!
                Not a Northadonian

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                • Carlin
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 3332

                  UN officially notified of Macedonia's name change to Republic of North Macedonia

                  URL:
                  NEW YORK (AFP) - UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has received official notification from the Macedonian government to change the name of the Balkan country to the Republic of North Macedonia. Read more at straitstimes.com.


                  - United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has received official notification from the Macedonian government to change the name of the Balkan country to the Republic of North Macedonia.

                  - Mr Guterres on Wednesday (Feb 13) welcomed the development that ends a decades-old dispute between Greece and Macedonia over the Balkan country's name.

                  - A notice will be sent to the General Assembly and the Security Council to inform them of the change, a UN official said.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13670

                    The battle for justice just became that much harder. Even those vultures who edit pages on Wikipedia haven't wasted any time on applying the disgusting new nomenclature on pages associated with Macedonia.
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • maco2envy
                      Member
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 288

                      Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                      The battle for justice just became that much harder. Even those vultures who edit pages on Wikipedia haven't wasted any time on applying the disgusting new nomenclature on pages associated with Macedonia.
                      Any examples apart from changing the state name?

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        Originally posted by maco2envy View Post
                        Any examples apart from changing the state name?
                        What else would be changed aside from the state name?
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • maco2envy
                          Member
                          • Jan 2015
                          • 288

                          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                          What else would be changed aside from the state name?
                          Maybe people trying to change the ethnicity and/or the language to "North Macedonian" due to poor interpretation of the treaty or just simple trolling.

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                          • Soldier of Macedon
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 13670

                            I haven't seen anything like that yet. But then again, this is Wikipedia and it's no secret that the Macedonian pages are infested with Greek and Bulgarian idiots denigrating our history.
                            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                            • maco2envy
                              Member
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 288

                              User 'Jingby' is one of those vultures that sticks out like a sore thumb. What type of loser makes 5 wikipedia edits that relate to Macedonian matters everyday day since 2006, unless he is a paid shill.
                              Last edited by maco2envy; 02-14-2019, 06:22 AM.

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                              • Vangelovski
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 8531

                                Originally posted by maco2envy View Post
                                User 'Jingby' is one of those vultures that sticks out like a sore thumb. What type of loser makes 5 wikipedia edits that relate to Macedonian matters everyday day since 2006, unless he is a paid shill.
                                A Greek guy working from his command centre which is also his mum's basement.
                                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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