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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    BREXIT - Britain will be out of the EU!

    The BREXIT referendum has succeeded. This is a major blow for the EU, that biased and corrupt organisation that has treated Macedonia so unfairly since our own independence. The problem (or not?) for the UK now is that the Scots may again vote for independence (which I support fully). The erroneous border that separates Ireland from its northern part will also be another factor which will require assessment. A Europe of sovereign states may again be on the horizon. Macedonia pay attention, especially the politicians with deluded EU aspirations.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
  • Tomche Makedonche
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 1123

    #2
    I just created a thread in the General Discussion forum regarding this topic so you may want to merge it to here, attached was an article from the BBC.

    Apparently MP's from both Scotland and Northern Ireland have stated that they intend on seeking a referendum on independence from the UK based on their voting results, while others are already calling for Cameron's resignation.

    Interesting times ahead...
    “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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    • Soldier of Macedon
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 13670

      #3
      Thanks TM, I have added the article you posted below.
      Originally posted by TomcheMakedonche
      So it looks like Britain voted to Leave the EU with most media outlets calling it a 52% to 48% win for the Leave campaign

      The UK votes to leave the European Union, prompting David Cameron to announce he is to step down as prime minister - and UKIP leader Nigel Farage to declare it "independence day".


      EU referendum: BBC forecasts UK vote to leave

      28 minutes ago

      The UK has voted by 52% to 48% to leave the European Union after 43 years in an historic referendum, a BBC forecast suggests.

      London and Scotland voted strongly to stay in the EU but the remain vote has been undermined by poor results in the north of England.

      Voters in Wales and the English shires have backed Brexit in large numbers.

      The pound fell to its lowest level against the dollar since 1985 as the markets reacted to the results.

      Referendum turnout was higher than at last year's general election.

      Labour's Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said the Bank of England may have to intervene to shore up the pound, which lost 3% within moments of the first result showing a strong result for Leave in Sunderland and fell as much as 6.5% against the euro.

      'Independence day'

      UKIP leader Nigel Farage - who has campaigned for the past 20 years for Britain to leave the EU - told supporters "this will be a victory for ordinary people, for decent people".

      Mr Farage - who predicted a Remain win at the start of the night after polls suggested that would happen - said Thursday, 23 June would "go down in history as our independence day".

      He called on Prime Minister David Cameron, who called the referendum but campaigned passionately for a Remain vote, to quit "immediately".

      A Labour source said: "If we vote to leave, Cameron should seriously consider his position."

      But pro-Leave Conservatives including Boris Johnson and Michael Gove have signed a letter to Mr Cameron urging him to stay on whatever the result.

      Labour former Europe Minister Keith Vaz told the BBC the British people had voted with their "emotions" and rejected the advice of experts who had warned about the economic impact of leaving the EU.

      He added: "It will be catastrophic for our country, for the rest of Europe and for the rest of the world."

      Exit process

      Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said that the EU vote "makes clear that the people of Scotland see their future as part of the European Union" after all 32 local authority areas returned majorities for Remain.

      Britain would be the first country to leave the EU since its formation - but a leave vote will not immediately mean Britain ceases to be a member of the 28-nation bloc.

      That process could take a minimum of two years, with Leave campaigners suggesting during the referendum campaign that it should not be completed until 2020 - the date of the next scheduled general election.

      The prime minister will have to decide when to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, which would give the UK two years to negotiate its withdrawal.

      Once Article 50 has been triggered a country can not rejoin without the consent of all member states.

      Mr Cameron has previously said he would trigger Article 50 as soon as possible after a leave vote but Boris Johnson and Michael Gove who led the campaign to get Britain out of the EU have said he should not rush into it.

      But they also said they want to make immediate changes before the UK actually leaves the EU, such as curbing the power of EU judges and limiting the free movement of workers, potentially in breach the UK's treaty obligations.

      The government will also have to negotiate its future trading relationship with the EU and fix trade deals with non-EU countries.

      In Whitehall and Westminster, there will now begin the massive task of unstitching the UK from more than 40 years of EU law, deciding which directives and regulations to keep, amend or ditch.

      The Leave campaign argued during a bitter four-month referendum campaign that the only way Britain could "take back control" of its own affairs would be to leave the EU.

      Leave dismissed warnings from economists and international bodies about the economic impact of Brexit as "scaremongering" by a self-serving elite.
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • Phoenix
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 4671

        #4
        ...big LOL to Scotland and all those servile bastards that voted against independence...

        What now...surely the entity known as the UK is now under threat and where to for the pan European project itself, surely the EU is now under existential threat...

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        • Tomche Makedonche
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2011
          • 1123

          #5
          Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
          Macedonia pay attention, especially the politicians with deluded EU aspirations.
          Don't worry, Poposki was barracking like a good little boy for Britain to remain in the EU at a summit in Paris yesterday, while also talking about how dedicated we are to join and be part of the "decision making process"... Details in the below article:

          “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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          • Phoenix
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 4671

            #6
            I was listening to some of the 'Remain' supporters the other night, particularly an Aussie ex-pat working in London who was worried he wouldn't be able to retire to the south of France if 'Leave' won...suck shit mate lol...

            Nice to often hear references to Australia and New Zealand (and Canada) as great examples of countries doing a great job on the international stage all on their own.
            Congratulations to the 'Leave' camp...well done.

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            • Risto the Great
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 15658

              #7
              Huge news.
              Meanwhile, Macedonia still pretends getting in the EU is the key to happiness. I'm in the capital of Catalonia right now. Let's see how this news reverberates!

              I also just spent big on the ASX, some bargains there.
              Risto the Great
              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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              • Amphipolis
                Banned
                • Aug 2014
                • 1328

                #8
                That is indeed a good news for Greece too. (I've always been a supporter of Grexit; and I don't mean only from the Euro currency).

                Shit happens when you have the crazy idea to ask the people.

                As for Scotland (or even Catalonia in Spain), these tendencies wouldn’t have grown if it wasn’t for EU. They are a byproduct of the new reality that countries don’t really matter and are just European provinces.

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                • DraganOfStip
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 1253

                  #9
                  Is this official? I mean,have all votes been counted?
                  According to Macedonian media outlets,the "leave" camp lead by 52 to 48 percent after two-thirds of the votes counted...
                  ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                  ― George Orwell

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                  • Tomche Makedonche
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 1123

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DraganOfStip View Post
                    Is this official? I mean,have all votes been counted?
                    According to Macedonian media outlets,the "leave" camp lead by 52 to 48 percent after two-thirds of the votes counted...
                    Yes the Leave campaign has officially won the referendum

                    Remain: 48.1% (16,141,241)

                    Leave: 51.9% (17,410,742)

                    96% of Gibraltar voted to remain

                    David Cameron has just resigned
                    “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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                    • Tomche Makedonche
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1123

                      #11
                      Presidents of European bodies say there will be no renegotiations and Britain must act on vote to avoid prolonging uncertaintyEU referendum outcome – live


                      'A sad day for Europe': EU aghast as Britain votes Brexit

                      Historic decision to abandon 28-member trade bloc poses existential threat to entire European project

                      The UK’s unprecedented decision to quit the European Union plunged the 28-state bloc into the deepest crisis in its history, a seismic detonation that could yet topple the entire project.

                      Results showing that Britons had voted to reject 43 years of EU membership raised immediate questions of whether other member states might follow suit – and whether the political alliance known for 70 years simply as “the west” could remain intact.

                      Germany’s foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, was one of the first to react, calling the result “truly sobering”. “It looks like a sad day for Europe and the United Kingdom.”

                      Manfred Weber, the chairman of the European People’s Party group of centre right parties in the European parliament, added that the vote “causes major damage to both sides.” He stressed that Britain had crossed a line and that there was no going back.

                      “Exit negotiations should be concluded within two years at max. There cannot be any special treatment. Leave means leave.”

                      EU leaders and officials will spend Friday scrambling to prepare for a crisis session this weekend, ahead of a regular summit next Tuesday and Wednesday. Priorities are likely to be preventing further contagion spreading through EU ranks – and the euro currency.

                      As dawn broke on Friday, Europe’s political class was still coming to terms with the UK’s historic decision to leave. Although the tiny population of Greenland left the European Economic Community in 1985, never before has a sovereign country served its notice to the world’s biggest trading bloc.

                      The UK was the EU’s second-largest economy and largest military power. It will embark on the process of leaving just as the union grapples with huge numbers of migrants, economic weakness and a nationalist Russia seeking to overturn the post-cold war order.

                      The leaders of the EU institutions will hold crisis talks on Friday morning. Tusk will meet Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European commission, and Martin Schulz, the president of the European parliament.

                      The Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, who faces his own battle with EU populists, will also attend, because the Netherlands holds the EU’s rotating presidency until 1 July.

                      But Brussels will look to Germany and France to show the world that Europe is still in business. Italy is likely to also play a role in crisis talks, although Spanish elections on Sunday rule out much input from Madrid.

                      One of the most pressing questions is when the British government will submit a formal letter of resignation from the union, using the EU treaty’s untested article 50. Once the UK announces its intention to trigger article 50, the clock starts running on two years of negotiations.

                      The UK has to negotiate two agreements: a divorce treaty to wind down British contributions to the EU budget and settle the status of the 1.2 million Britons living in the EU and 3 million EU citizens in the UK.

                      The second treaty will be more momentous for Britain’s future: an agreement to govern future trade and other ties with its European neighbours.

                      The process is likely to be difficult. Tusk has estimated that both agreements could take seven years to settle “without any guarantee of success”. Most Brussels insiders think this sounds optimistic.

                      Jean-Claude Piris, a former head of the EU council legal service, predicts it will take eight to 10 years to negotiate a comprehensive trade deal, as well as UK participation in other EU policies, such as student exchange schemes or research.

                      He rubbished claims that Britain would get unfettered access to the single market, without free movement of people, as the equivalent of believing in “Father Christmas”. The British “cannot get as good a deal as they have now, it is impossible”, Piris added.

                      Some Brussels insiders fear France and Germany may soften their approach after the shock of the vote. Others think countries, especially France, will push for a harsh settlement to hammer home the price of leaving.

                      One likely outcome of negotiations is that banks and financial firms in the City of London will be stripped of their lucrative EU “passports” that allow them to sell services to the rest of the EU.

                      Although the long-term consequences of Brexit will be seismic, on paper, nothing changes immediately. The UK remains an EU member until it has finalised the terms of its divorce and is obliged to follow all EU rules.

                      In theory, the UK retains the decision-making privileges of membership; in reality, power will rapidly drain away. British diplomats can expect to be marginalised in the councils of Brussels, as no one sees the point of bothering about the UK when it is halfway to the door. MEPs will press for Juncker to sack Jonathan Hill, the UK’s EU commissioner, who holds the prized portfolio of financial services.

                      The UK will keep its veto in some areas, such as tax and foreign policy, but diplomats say Britain’s voice on other EU decisions, for example economy and business, will count for little.
                      “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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                      • Risto the Great
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15658

                        #12
                        Which means Gibraltar may well leave the UK.
                        Risto the Great
                        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                        • Tomche Makedonche
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 1123

                          #13
                          Yep, so far majority of the votes in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Gibraltar all favoured to remain in the EU, which has brought about speculation on future calls for independence from the UK. Majority of the votes in Wales favoured the Leave campaign.

                          I'm sure the Gibraltar result will be a major talking point with the Spanish media
                          Last edited by Tomche Makedonche; 06-24-2016, 02:38 AM.
                          “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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                          • DraganOfStip
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 1253

                            #14
                            Former Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond stated to the media that Scotland needs a new referendum for independence from the UK because "circumstances have changed since 2014":


                            Meanwhile,deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland Martin McGuiness also called for a referendum for a "United Ireland" (Ireland is in EU) after the results:


                            England and Wales voted for Brexit while Scotland,Northern Ireland and Gibraltar opted against.
                            On the long run,this might not only be the end of UK-EU love,but it can be the end of the UK itself if Scotland and Northern Ireland opt for independence.
                            Let's see whether this will cause a domino effect.
                            Last edited by DraganOfStip; 06-24-2016, 02:41 AM.
                            ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                            ― George Orwell

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                            • Tomche Makedonche
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1123

                              #15
                              Way too early to speculate on these things, I think a lot of it is just media hype, the exit will be a long process, but it will be interesting to see how the geo-political landscape reacts to this within the EU and the UK in general in the coming months.
                              “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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