Origins of George Kastriot - Skenderbeg

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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    #76
    The tender plant of Albanian literature grew in a rocky soil. It was late to evolve and its development, indeed its very existence, was threatened in many periods. "Albanian Literature: A Short History" tells the story of the survival and growth of Albanian creative writing beginning with the earliest thirteenth century texts of Theodor of Shkodra, tracing the development of the modern literature of Buzuku, Budi and Bogdani, the incorporation of the Muslim influences of Frakulla and Kycyku and continuing with the works of Cajupi and Kadare during the reign of King Zog and the Hoxha administration. A unique book that illuminates an under-researched subject, "Albanian Literature" is an essential reference guide for all those interested in Balkan cultures, in comparative literature and in European cultural history in general.

    Bardhi also published a seventy six-page treatise in Latin on Scanderbeg, entitled Georgius Castriottus Epirensis vulgo Scanderbegh, Epirotarum Princeps fortissimus ac invictissimus suis et Patriae restitutus, Venice 1636 (George Castrioti of Epirus, commonly called Scanderbeg, the very mighty and invincible Prince of Epirus, restored to his people and his country), in which he refuted the assertion of the Bosnian bishop, Tomeus Marnavitius, that the Albanian national hero was of Bosnian origin.
    It would be good to find out more information on Tomeus Marnavitius and his works.
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • The LION will ROAR
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 3231

      #77
      Kosovo envoy: Skanderbeg is not an Albanian hero

      Косовски пратеник: Скендербег не е албански херој



      Пратеникот во косовскиот Парламент, Гезим Келменди, го нарече Ѓерѓ Кастриот-Скендербег херој на католиците а не албански национален херој.

      Келмедни, како што пренесува весникот „Експрес“ тоа го аргуменирал со фактот дека во 15 век, во времето кога војувал Скендербег, не постоеле нации. - Католиците го имаат својот херој - Скендербег. Во 15 век не постоеле нации и војните биле поради верски прашања, изјавил Келменди во телевизиска емисија.

      Тој исто така се сомнева и за потеклото на националниот херој, поради неговата мајка и постоењето многу народи во тоа време во тогашна Албанија и се согласува дека е потребна измена на албанската историја, зашто она што се учело во училиштата не било вистина.

      Келменди оценува дека Турција не била окупатор на Албанија, туку само владеела во таа земја и затоа треба да се третира како земја - пријател.
      The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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      • Liberator of Makedonija
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2014
        • 1595

        #78
        Originally posted by Epirot View Post
        Untrue! The author of such statement seems to ignore all Albanian songs preserved in folklore of Arbëresh community, who are Albanian emmigrants settled in Italy after Scanderbeg's death. They have a lots of songs, legends and traditions relating with Gjergj Kastrioti. You cannot say that to them is imposed by Austro-Hungarian and Italian historians.
        I will point out that the Arbëresh have never seemed to really consider themselves to be Albanian. They weren't even aware of the linguistic connections until very recently so not sure if this really counts.
        I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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        • Liberator of Makedonija
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 1595

          #79
          This book everyone seems to mention by a Popovski? Is it available in English? Sounds very interesting.
          I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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          • Carlin
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 3332

            #80
            Simeonovski in his book wrote about Skanderbeg being of Slavonic - Miyak extraction.

            Here:

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            • Niko777
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2010
              • 1895

              #81
              Didn't Skenderbeg and his father fund the Serbian monastery on Mount Athos? Pretty ironic that today Albanians are destroying Serbian monasteries.

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              • Carlin
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 3332

                #82
                Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
                Didn't Skenderbeg and his father fund the Serbian monastery on Mount Athos? Pretty ironic that today Albanians are destroying Serbian monasteries.
                You are right. In addition to this, he sent two short letters to the citizens of Dubrovnik in a language described as Old Serbian. Article link here: http://www.rastko.rs/rastko-al/zborn...c-kastriot.php - in the Summary we read that Serbian was a sort of official language in communicating with neighboring Slavic region.

                Also, in this article http://www.rastko.rs/rastko-al/zborn...ic-barleti.php it is described that Skenderbeg's main military force was comprised of Macedonians.

                Quote (and translation follows):

                Из Барлетијева текста се види да су на овим теренима Скендербегову главну војну снагу чинили Македонци. Податке које о њиховом карактеру наводи аутор, подсећају нас на вести о Словенима код византијских историчара, те стога, овај пасус доносимо у целини: "Illyrici undique mox in unum conglobati (ut egregia erat eius gentis velocitas) densiori praesidio munita statione ducis, excluserunt hostem;defendebant tarnen magis quam pugnabant".[9] Зaycтaвљajyћи се опширније на опису припрема за одбрану Светиграда, Барлети наводи још један за нас занимљив податак. Он изричито каже да je посада града пажљиво сакупљена и састављена од одабраног становништва из Дебарске жупе, о чијој je храбрости већ говорено. Исто тако он не пропушта да посведочи да je и само становништво града састављено искључиво од Македонаца.[10] Да се Скендербег необично старао о одбрани овог утврђеног града и о заштити његовог живља говори и податак што je из града дао склонити на сигурно све неборачко становништво. И из овог штурог податка да се наслутити каквим су тананим нитима савезништва и уважавања били повезани Скендербег и наши људи.[11] И управо овде када говори о људима који су бранили Светиград, Марин Барлети покушава поближе да одреди и њихов етнички састав, па каже: "... Superior Dibra montuosa est et aspera, ferax tarnen et Macedoniam tum ipsa loci vicinitate, tum similitudine morum contingens. Bulgari sive Tribali habitant,[12] ferox in armis gens et non minus Scanderbego multis praeclarae virtutis fidelque meritis grata. Propior tamen externis quam Epiroticis moribus[13] et adhorens multo ab Albano cultu, Graecanico ritu victitabant et plerasque eorum superstitiones sequebatur".[14]

                Translation:

                Barleti's text shows that in these areas Skenderbeg's main military force was comprised of Macedonians. The data about their character, written by the author, remind us of the news about the Slavs in Byzantine historians, and therefore, we pass this passage in its entirety:

                "Illyrici undique mox in unum conglobati (ut egregia erat eius gentis velocitas) densiori praesidio munita statione ducis, excluserunt hostem;defendebant tarnen magis quam pugnabant".

                Reflecting in more detail on the description of the preparation for the defense of Svetigrad, Barleti lists another interesting information for us. He explicitly states that the crew of the city is carefully collected and composed of the selected population from the Debar zhupa, whose courage has already been described. He also does not fail to testify that only the population of the city is composed exclusively of Macedonians. That Skenderbeg was particularly concerned about the defense of this fortified city and about the protection and security of its residents, is also testified by the information that from the town he removed all non-combatants to safety. And from this short piece of information we see how the thin strands of alliance and respect were connected between Skenderbeg and our people. And it is precisely here that he speaks of the people who defended Svetigrad, Barleti is trying to determine their ethnic composition as well, and says:

                "... Superior Dibra montuosa est et aspera, ferax tarnen et Macedoniam tum ipsa loci vicinitate, tum similitudine morum contingens. Bulgari sive Tribali habitant,[12] ferox in armis gens et non minus Scanderbego multis praeclarae virtutis fidelque meritis grata. Propior tamen externis quam Epiroticis moribus[13] et adhorens multo ab Albano cultu, Graecanico ritu victitabant et plerasque eorum superstitiones sequebatur".

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                • tchaiku
                  Member
                  • Nov 2016
                  • 786

                  #83
                  Scanderbeg's mother was Slavic, although his father was Albanian.

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                  • Liberator of Makedonija
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 1595

                    #84
                    Originally posted by tchaiku View Post
                    Scanderbeg's mother was Slavic, although his father was Albanian.
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Kastrioti
                    Wikipedia isn't a source.
                    I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                    • tchaiku
                      Member
                      • Nov 2016
                      • 786

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
                      Wikipedia isn't a source.
                      There are descendants of Scanderbeg's tribe who have that surname, even his successors in Italy (from the arbereshe community):
                      Sophie Castriota

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                      • Albo
                        Member
                        • May 2014
                        • 304

                        #86
                        Here she is: ⬆

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                        • Carlin
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 3332

                          #87
                          Albanian historian about Skenderbeg
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                          • Carlin
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3332

                            #88
                            URL - Serbian point of view, with collection of sources/citations


                            Two examples -

                            1)





                            2)

                            According to Jireček Scanderbeg's family is of Slavonic origin. His great-grandfather was called Branilo.
                            Last edited by Carlin; 08-27-2018, 10:04 PM.

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                            • VMRO
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1462

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Albo View Post
                              Ani more nuse
                              Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                              Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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                              • VMRO
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 1462

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View Post
                                This book everyone seems to mention by a Popovski? Is it available in English? Sounds very interesting.
                                No it's not at this stage.
                                Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                                Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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