Jovan Vraniskovski - The Traitor

[fyrOM]

Notice the wings on his sheild. Its supper Prolet! He can go from place to place in seconds to see an hear everything and report back to the MTO. (personaly Prolet great spy network - keep it up.)

[Vangelovski]

Spolajti Prolet

[Soldier of Macedon]

I think alot of this has to do with the fact that we recognized Kosovo.......

Yeah, meanwhile MOC still waits for the SOC to behave like humans. Even if Macedonia hadn't recognised Kosovo by now, the church situation would still be the same.

[Prolet]

Well thats the thing SOM, they have recognized Vraniskovski's church and MPC is not recognized they are doing this on purpose and its only going to do more harm to them.

OziMak, There really isnt anything that a secret its quite obvious really, i wont deny that there are mixed marriages between Macedonians and Serbs mainly because of the Vojni Lica who came to Macedonia during the YU Era, however if we go by what Avramovic says then there are a million Macedonians in Serbia because many of our soldiers and high ranking officers were stationed all over Serbia, just take a look at the city of Panchevo that was made by Macedonians and thats just outside of Belgrade (The next city after Belgrade) and all over the Vojvodina region there are Macedonians from Vardarska and Egejska Makedonija.

When i was in Crna Gora (Boka Kotorska) we sat in a Cafe Bar and the waiter serving us asked us where we are from and i said Macedonia, he said oh my mum is Macedonian but she comes from a Village just outside of Panchevo and they speak Macedonian there so i can understand you Macedonian perfectly he couldnt speak Macedonian very well but he could understand everything.

[Mastika]

Да се потсетиме на историјата, каде што ВМРО ја нагласувам како зло за Србите во Македонија (или јужна Србија или Вардарска бановина сепак како ви се допаѓа), не заборавајте дека член на ВМРО го изврши убиството на кралот Александар во Марсеј и многу историски причини за оваа коалиција помеѓу Демократската партија на Србите во Македонија и ВМРО-ДПМНЕ наведуваат дека не беше природна.

This is a disgrace. Why would any proud Macedonian speaker want to call Macedonia, Southern Serbia or Vardar Banovina!? This person should ba ashamed of themselves and offer a full apology to the Macedonian nation. Then resign and go live in Serbia. If he does not resign then VMRO-DPMNE needs to preasure the DPSM as the leading coalition member into ejecting him from their ranks.

[julie]

Fully Agree with you Mastika , A bit like some of the Tito-ists that are Macedonian, they should also be ashamed of themselves and do the same

[Prolet]

SPC puts pressure on MPC over Vranishkovski

Serbian Arch Bishop Irinej wants our Government to over turn its court ruling over Zoran Vranishkovski, who was charged by a court in Veles to serve 2.5 years prison and pay 240,000 euro..

SPC will not allow our delegation to attend the Prohor Pcinski manastir until the issue is solved. President Ivanov will not be going to Prohor Pcinski this year he already chose to visit Pelince.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=63174

[Dimko-piperkata]

what in hell has the SPC to do in political matters?

by hook or by crook, spc will burn in hell for their ignorance.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Seriously, who cares what these bozos in the SOC are saying, it's the same lot that wants us to give up our own church in favour of theirs, the same lot that thinks Christianity started from Pech. Is it something new that the Macedonian clergy are AGAIN denied to attend Prohor Pcinski? Irinej is nothing more than a high-paid idiot, he should finance Vranishkovich himself.

[Soldier of Macedon]

By the way, until these idiots grow up and respect our right to exist in all fields, then not a single cleric from the SOC should be allowed to even sniff Macedonian soil, let alone step on it.

[Prolet]

SOM, This came after President Gjorgje Ivanov stated he would be going to Pelince instead of Prohor Pcinski for Ilinden. I think we should stop all Ilinden gatherings in Prohor Pcinski, there is nothing more humiliating then celebrating our biggest Praznik on foreign soil. Its all thanks to Lazar Kolishevski that Prohor Pcinski is on Serbian soil since he was the one who signed off on the land, Kosovo is no different either.

[Dimko-piperkata]

my suggestion is....to discover the situation around the occupation of the "prohor pchinski" area...

it doesn´t exist even one document which is "pro" serbian and who legitimates the presents of the serbs on macedonian ground.

the macedonian government should send a strong signal to WhiteCity, give back what is our...we will beginn with prohor pchinski !

do it nikolche, do it

[Big Bad Sven]

This is a pretty low act by our “friends” the serbs….. It just goes to show how much of a poor situation we are facing here. We are now “not allowed” to visit OUR land and one of our most sacred sites Prohor Pcinski, so we had to create a “make do” site of worship in Pelince.

Zoran Vranishkovski is a criminal scum bag that promotes Serbian nationalism and should be thrown in jail. He unfortunately never face his crimes because the SOC and all of the other Orthodox churches will put pressure on the Macedonian government, like the last time he was in jail.

However the most ironic thing at the end of the day is that Macedonians still worship Serbian people, culture and especially their “music”

[Jankovska]

SOM, This came after President Gjorgje Ivanov stated he would be going to Pelince instead of Prohor Pcinski for Ilinden. I think we should stop all Ilinden gatherings in Prohor Pcinski, there is nothing more humiliating then celebrating our biggest Praznik on foreign soil. Its all thanks to Lazar Kolishevski that Prohor Pcinski is on Serbian soil since he was the one who signed off on the land, Kosovo is no different either.

We should NOT stop ever. Prohor Pchinski belonged to Macedonia, it's our history and we should not stop it just because it's easier. Macedonians died in the WW2 as well you know, fighting for Macedonia. These people need respect as much as the Ilinden fighters. Don't speak of it like it's a bad part of our past, it isn't. These people finally freed a part of Macedonia. They deserve every respect and if the Serbs have a problem with us attending Prohor Pchinski we should make sure we show hem ostri zabi too. But than again the gov that pays you seems to not have the balls

[Soldier of Macedon]

I agree with Jankovska, nothing of ours should be given up, and if Macedonians are able to celebrate at Prohor Pcinski then they should. If they aren't able, they should assert themselves and their right to be there, it holds a significant place in Macedonian history.

there is nothing more humiliating then celebrating our biggest Praznik on foreign soil

So what makes the celebrations at Ovcharani any different? Ne znaish sho tropash. Prohor Pcinski is in another state but it is certainly not "foreign soil", nor is Ovcharani.