Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

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  • Pelagonija
    Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 533

    Ivanov is irrelevant. As long as the west backs Zaevs unconditionally anything is possible.

    Just in regards to elections, it will be complete insanity if they hold another election before a proper census. They’ve lost their marbles..

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    • vicsinad
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 2337

      Ivanov is gone in the spring. So they could probably push the signing off until a new president is elected.

      But for that to happen, they need a) Macedonian parliament to pass it and b) Greece to ratify it.

      To get it passed in Parliament, I believe they need 7 votes. Zaev is going to talk to MPs tomorrow to see if there are enough votes. Is this code for "bribing" them with the promise of amnesty or blackmailing them?

      If there are elections, I think SDS will have lost voters. But I think DPNE will have lost many as well because people are fed up with them and they didn't join Bojkotiraj until the last minute. Therefore, other parties like Edinstvena and Levica might make big gains.

      So, whoever can form a coalition with these new parties is one aspect. The other aspect: it's likely whoever wins the elections would have to still make a deal with DUI or another Albanian coalition. Which could mean the same thing: accept the conditions of the Tirana Platform.

      This is why I don't completely understand why Zaev is calling for elections. I don't think he really wants them. I think it's a bluff. He said it too soon...on the day of the referendum. I think he may think that he can push it through Parliament and elections are just his way of trying to seem like he respects and cares what the will of the people is.

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      • Pelagonija
        Member
        • Mar 2017
        • 533

        Perhaps he is confident he can obtain 2/3 majority.

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        • kompir
          Member
          • Jan 2015
          • 537

          I posted this in the "Latest News" thread, but it's worth posting here too:

          Results from nearly half of polling stations show 90.8 per cent voted in favour of Macedonia name change but turnout was below the threshold needed.
          Доста бе Вегето една, во секоја манџа се мешаш

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          • Pelagonija
            Member
            • Mar 2017
            • 533

            Originally posted by nushevski77
            so I guess theres no stoping the west, but why will it be complete insanity if they hold another election without a census?
            Insanity I say because no one knows how many permanent residents there are hence the country is basing elections and referendums on these figure. Furthermore we have an artificially inflated Albanian community who hold every government to ransom.

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            • Pelagonija
              Member
              • Mar 2017
              • 533

              Originally posted by nushevski77
              well could you ever for see a situation where their is no need to form a coalition with any of the Albanian parties?
              Absolutely not never. The two major Macedonian parties put forward self interest and hatred of the other as the only priority, bit like two rival mafia gangs. National interest does not come in the equation.

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              • kompir
                Member
                • Jan 2015
                • 537

                Originally posted by Pelagonija View Post
                Absolutely not never. The two major Macedonian parties put forward self interest and hatred of the other as the only priority, bit like two rival mafia gangs. National interest does not come in the equation.
                Sounds like Australia...
                Доста бе Вегето една, во секоја манџа се мешаш

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                • Pelagonija
                  Member
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 533

                  Unlike Australia, not even the macos change their leaders mid stream

                  Look how western media justifies fascism and ethnic genocide.

                  Blame the Russians! —> https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/...rship-1.549814

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                  • maco2envy
                    Member
                    • Jan 2015
                    • 288

                    How many vmro sellouts do they need to pass the 2/3 margin?

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                    • Pelagonija
                      Member
                      • Mar 2017
                      • 533

                      Extract from Zaev, now post referendum they are questioning the voter list.

                      Дури и ако имаше цензус, дури и ако имаше 1,1 милион излезени гласачи, овој резултат од речиси 600.000 граѓани кои гласале ЗА, ќе значеше јасна одлука на граѓаните и јасна определба ЗА европска Македонија.

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                      • Gocka
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 2306

                        91.5% of 661,000 Voters voted yes. That is crazy! Had there not been a boycott, they would have won.

                        Even with a proper voter list 661,000 would be maybe still not be 50%

                        Albanians turned out in decent numbers but they could have done a lot more. Based on turnout and results, about 30-35% of Macedonians voted for the remaining being Albanians and others.

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                        • kompir
                          Member
                          • Jan 2015
                          • 537

                          Originally posted by Pelagonija View Post
                          Unlike Australia, not even the macos change their leaders mid stream

                          Look how western media justifies fascism and ethnic genocide.

                          Blame the Russians! —> https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/...rship-1.549814
                          There will be blowback from the West if by some miracle this doesn't get up; Macedonia will be seen as acting contrary to "regional stability" and a Iraq-esque dossier would be compiled to justify a "military action".
                          Доста бе Вегето една, во секоја манџа се мешаш

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                          • Pelagonija
                            Member
                            • Mar 2017
                            • 533

                            Originally posted by Gocka View Post
                            91.5% of 661,000 Voters voted yes. That is crazy! Had there not been a boycott, they would have won.

                            Even with a proper voter list 661,000 would be maybe still not be 50%

                            Albanians turned out in decent numbers but they could have done a lot more. Based on turnout and results, about 30-35% of Macedonians voted for the remaining being Albanians and others.
                            Excuse my maths, how can Albanians make up 65% of the vote? That would mean %100 of eligible Albanians voted?

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                            • Pelagonija
                              Member
                              • Mar 2017
                              • 533

                              Originally posted by kompir View Post
                              There will be blowback from the West if by some miracle this doesn't get up; Macedonia will be seen as acting contrary to "regional stability" and a Iraq-esque dossier would be compiled to justify a "military action".
                              Simple phone Call to their UCK will sort out those pesky anti western fyromers?

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                              • VMRO
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 1462

                                There were low turnouts for Albanians in certain areas too...

                                That country needs a census quick smart! Instead of calling for elections in Nov, how about a census first.

                                Also, all those traitors should now be called out and a clean out of DPNE needs to be done, two of their MP's were caught voting Rangelova and Janchev. Enough of these fake patriots using the VMRO name to build their careers.
                                Verata vo Mislite, VMRO vo dushata, Makedonia vo Srceto.

                                Vnatreshna Makedonska Revolucionerna Organizacija.

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