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  • George S.
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    • Aug 2009
    • 10116

    The Doyran finds are very old some say in excess of 5000 years.
    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
    GOTSE DELCEV

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    • momce
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      • Oct 2012
      • 426

      Originally posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
      Huh, what people do you mean exactly, because if you imply the Phoenicians, you are in for a big surprise.

      The coin is not very well minted, and the first letter could be something else, but my bet is this:

      Lykkeioy

      In honor of someone with the name Lykis or Lykeias - my guess.

      Ironically, that (almost) how we call the last 3 years of high school in Greece (just before college/university)...: Lykeio.
      oh man we should put this in the greek retard section...this is how these freaks think superficially, supersticiously. Just because a word sounds phonetically something to someone doesnt imply anything about its etymology or origins. I'm convinced greekoids are a pyscho-somatic disease of the highest order and that there should be no compromise with these fools. Euthanasia is being nice about it. At least its a leper colony for the missing link now, the Former Ottoman Colony of Rumfart.
      Last edited by momce; 01-06-2013, 01:31 AM.

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      • DedoAleko
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        • Jun 2009
        • 969

        Antigonea?

        google translate:

        RESEARCH IN TREMNIK, NEGOTINSKO

        Archaeologists entered the center of mysterious Antigonea





        Wide city streets and attractive appearance of the water supply intrigued scientists and encouraged to assume that explore the remains of Antigonea, one of Macedonia's ancient cities whose location is still unknown.



        Roman akvedukt and downtown from early antiquity archaeologists found in the village Negotino Tremnik. Wide city streets and attractive appearance of the water supply intrigued scientists and encouraged to assume that explore the remains of Antigonea, one of Macedonia's ancient cities whose location is still unknown. Assumptions have tread the city was located on the site over Gradiste Negotino, where a few years ago were discovered massive walls and several buildings. The latest discovery of Tremnik increase the number of locations to explore and search for evidence of paper "Antigonea".

        Interestingly for the 21st century, but one really should make some effort to reach Tremnik if not from that region. No board or roadmap will help. Fortunately, friends you explore the site and help us' refer to the old road that leads to Negotino Demir Kapija.

        Following the directions, we reach the end of the village, just above the "St.. Trinity, "which sees over excavation, about 30 meters long, which shows that the Romans were fantastic builders. Water still flows through akveduktot and through groundwater flows to the tap, a few feet below, which today runs a strong jet of water. Yes, this wonder the Romans 2,000 years ago and works.

        Workers from Tremnik and Negotino help archaeologists from the Department of Archaeology at the Faculty of Philosophy, University "Ss. Kiril and Methodius ". Participate in the project and their colleagues from the Museum of Macedonia and Negotino. Studies run by Marjan Jovanov and Antonio Yakimovski Assistant Professor of Philosophy. One Affairs Chair Reed, near the village where there were remnants of the city, and one of Roman aqueducts. The field is already one and a half month.

        - Found Roman waterworks was built between 1 and 3 centuries. On one side ended with a fountain in the Roman church, which was at the church. On the other hand certainly continue, but to see where. The construction is high more than 1 meter channel is 60 cm and the upper wall is made of spolii - open gaps. As well as carrying water from a source, collect as catchments and other waters. Underside is water-proof mortar to hold water. Awesome is built up with tegulae (roof tiles). The first kind is found here because it was specifically for the legal akvedukt - explains Yakimovski.

        It's still an assumption

        Archaeologists assume and akveduktot is one of their strengths, it was a big city. Just like today, and then villages had water.

        - The Tabula Poitingerijana know that south of Stobi 12 Roman miles to the town Antigonea. There was speculation that perhaps this site or "Gradiste" in Negotino. The Stobi constituted by 17 kilometers and 22 kilometers to Tremnik. A 12 Roman miles to 19.6 miles. Surely no one can argue until you find reliable evidence. Still hypotheses, but by wealth concentrated in this area in the village Tremnik likely it will be that famous Antigone in science requires 160 years and have discussions about its position - says Yakimovski.
        Already gone midday and the rest of the team is Negotino Museum, where artifacts are processed. We host Peter Rizov, director of the museum. Here is Marjan John, who tells us the facts Chair Reed and parts slowly up the story. This site has long been known in archaeological science. For its size and importance existed different opinions and theories, but have never been systematically researched. So they decided to try to catch the boundaries of the site to determine its stratigraphy, time created and penetrate deeper into the past. Opened approximately 200 square feet. Modest funds do not allow more.

        - I was surprised that the top of the hill, where the order of things should be acropolis of the ancient city, we found the central part of town from early ancient times, the 4th and 3rd century BC. This is illustrated movable archaeological findings, numerous ceramic fragments megarski cups, a few coins - a material that allows us to accurately date the site. They are from the period of Philip II to the next Macedonian king. We found a city with an urban concept - part of the street, now about 30 meters long. Broad is 1.8 meter, and left and right are craft shops and workshops. It was paved, as it is rarely found in much larger and poistrazhuvani sites from this period. This is a modest little unimpressive neighborhood, but a city in the true sense of the word - John says.

        Presmelo but possible

        According to him, this provides the ability to imagine or think again ubikacijata Antigonea the famous city, built in the early Antiquity, which science has existed in various assumptions, one of which is Gradiste.
        - Maybe presmelo, but not too much to think about that idea, that may be located exactly at the site Chair Reed - John says.

        The story continues. The ancient city of Chair Reed existed shortly. Occurred suddenly after a subordinate urban pattern, and suddenly extinguished. Probably the fall of Macedonia under Roman rule, in the middle of the 2nd century BC

        - For the Romans, the city lost importance and allowed to die. Favor Stobi, which is adjacent - explains Jovan.

        In stratigraphy, there are still lived in the Late Bronze Age, probably in two horizons in the 15th and 11th century BC The space was populated, and the prove not only the remains of settlements Chair Reed but also those of neighboring hill, where the necropolis was discovered by the same time. Possession of the Museum of Macedonia led by archaeologist Aleksandra Papazova-Sanev the past few years revealed dozens of graves from that period.

        - In Roman times the urban settlement was closer to the water, probably in the water supply, which has architectural elements of stone sculptures of sacred buildings from Roman times - Jovanov says.

        City raised by Antigonus Gonatas

        According to historical sources, Antigonea built Antigonus Gonatas in the first half of the 3rd century BC The city was built by the state or a person who disposes of capital. The builder had some idea that staged the flat, uninhabited, clean, but the dominant space.

        - Rarely have such situations. The situation is somewhat "Pompeii" - a city that suddenly cease to live. Reason is not a fire or earthquake. Just did not need the Romans. It is a powerful state to control all of Europe, and Roman armies do not need to flee the tops of hills and hide. No historical data such as fades city built Antigonus Gonatas. The only real reason Macedonian-Roman wars in Macedonia who loses the battle and falls under Roman rule - John says.

        In the research participated thirty students who had field work of Tremnik. Excavations funded by the Ministry of Culture, but the team gets help from Mayor Negotino Ivan Apostolov.

        izvor: http://www.dnevnik.mk/?ItemID=522A91...BDE0CBDD018B05

        p.s Doesn't MTF have archeological section,because I couldn't find it? All the archaeological evidence, diggings and findings deserve and should be put together in a single, sticky thread.

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        • George S.
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 10116

          Da this is an amazing find,they admin should make it a sticky.
          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
          GOTSE DELCEV

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          • DedoAleko
            Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 969

            google translation:

            It is a large building, about 30 meters long and 15 meters wide, with an area of ​​400 square meters. It found tools for working metal, large axes, pliers, and everyday tools for agriculture, dishwasher, pitoi. Probably one of the building served for life, and the other was a workshop, says archaeologist Vane Sekulov, managing research





            ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESEARCH

            A facility that has been discovered in 2009 on the site "red box" of Ogražden been explored recently from the Institute and Museum in Strumica. The latest research in object discovered ten new rooms.

            The facility is located within the site at an altitude of 1,200 feet, and as they say the Institute and Museum in Strumica, yet to be investigated.

            - This is a large object, about 30 meters long and 15 meters wide, with an area of ​​400 square meters. It found tools for working metal, large axes, pliers, and everyday tools for agriculture, dishwasher, pitoi. Probably one of the building served for life, and the other was a workshop - Sekulov Vane says archaeologist who led the excavations.

            Roman settlement of "red box" partially destroyed in the late 19th and early 20th century, when some Bosniak population of Bosnia and Herzegovina, in interviews with Austro-Hungary, settled in this region. On the site they built houses and lived there until the First World War.

            According Sekulov, Roman settlement of "red box" existed from 1 to 6 century AD. According coins found, it ceased to exist in its incineration, because all the buildings were also burned. Explore is the necropolis area "Gusterova Cukarka" where 186 graves have been discovered in which the dead are pogrebuvale with cremation and burial were conducted in graves with stone rings and items in them.

            Significantly, it found a place two graves with different ways of burial, suggesting abandoning the previous way of burial and the acceptance of Christianity as a religion. At this point and lamps with crosses found inside.

            Indeed, some people in the neighborhood and lived here continuously for about five centuries. The site "red box" is 15 kilometers from Novo Selo, Strumica, and it gets to the difficult mountain road passable. Initial investigations of the site were made in 2003.





            izvor: http://www.novamakedonija.com.mk/New...3#.UgzXQG2qmYs

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            • DedoAleko
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              • Jun 2009
              • 969

              The manager of the museum in Veles suspected for stealing artefacts:



              izvor: http://kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=16701

              p.s. He is suspected for stealing 2 tetradrachms with the image of Alexander Makedon, but just imagine the damage this creature has done while incharge of the museum!

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              • makedonche
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 3242

                Originally posted by DedoAleko View Post
                The manager of the museum in Veles suspected for stealing artefacts:



                izvor: http://kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=16701

                p.s. He is suspected for stealing 2 tetradrachms with the image of Alexander Makedon, but just imagine the damage this creature has done while incharge of the museum!
                DedoAleko
                A bit like most things in Macedonia........stolen and traded/sold on the black market..........including our identity. Reminds me of Pasko Kuzman and how he was staunchly opposed to Greek propoganda, then some years later he is advocating the so called "Hellenic Period" of Macedonian history.......wtf?
                On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                • lavce pelagonski
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 1993

                  МакедонÑкиот кратерот од Корешница - YouTube

                  Колку артефакти од Македонија ги збогатуваат колекциите во СÐД? - YouTube
                  Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                  „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                  • DedoAleko
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                    • Jun 2009
                    • 969

                    Excavation on the Late Bronze Age Lake Pile Settlement- Dojran Mrdaja 2014
















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                    • DedoAleko
                      Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 969

                      Originally posted by DedoAleko View Post
                      The manager of the museum in Veles suspected for stealing artefacts:



                      izvor: http://kanal5.com.mk/vesti_detail.asp?ID=16701

                      p.s. He is suspected for stealing 2 tetradrachms with the image of Alexander Makedon, but just imagine the damage this creature has done while incharge of the museum!

                      For stealing the 2 tetradrachms ,that were retrieved btw, the guy got 2 years in jail.

                      izvor: http://vest.mk/default.asp?ItemID=BD...89235488E44531

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                      • DedoAleko
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                        • Jun 2009
                        • 969

                        This is IMPRESSIVE find!

                        Stone Tomb from early antiquity found in Shtip



                        google translate:

                        With height of 2.5 meters in diameter and 6 meters at the base, the stone tomb impresses with unusually large dimensions. It is located between the village Karbinci Radanje dozen kilometers from Stip towards Mount Plachkovica.

                        - Can certainly confirm that the first tomb found this kind of preparation , rather than boulder originating from early ancient period . According to initial findings , we can say that this e mound dating from the first to the third century AD , Kostov explained Mite - archaeologist .

                        Now being processed outside of the tomb , whose assumptions that belongs to a dignitary from early antiquity of Macedonia . This project is part of research endeavors Museum of Stip , in order to detect most of the ancients, but extremely valuable arguments for life on early Antiquity Macedonians .

                        - Do not stop the project . The preparation of the required documentation to apply to the competent ministry with another identical project that we believe will get the necessary funds for its implementation , added Zoran Chitkushev - Director of National Museum - Stip .

                        The site where Ance Besh Tepe was discovered only Balkan Roman tomb stone , known archaeological treasure , the researchers of the Macedonian historical past . According to archaeologists there once were five tepinja or hills , of which fortunately remained intact three .

                        izvor: http://archaeologica.org.mk/mk/zanimlivost.php?id=1977

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                        • makedonche
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                          • Oct 2008
                          • 3242

                          Very interesting indeed Dedo!
                          On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                          • DedoAleko
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                            • Jun 2009
                            • 969



                            Macedonian Geoglyph

                            Mystical sign gives Macedonians broaden insights about their past -



                            Geoglyphs are works of art created in the earth's soil by organized stacking of stones, earth or other material.
                            The origin of these drawings visible from the sky is still unknown to most scholars of our time. World famous Nazca Lines are a series of geometric shapes, kilometers of lines and large drawings of animal and human figures and shapes made on the desert floor in Nazca in Peru.
                            In Chile there are remnants of the Inca culture, also represented through forms on earth and only just visible from the sky. Series of such drawings are not only in South America, but in Australia, UK, USA, which is clearly visible on this map . According to previous research, which today forms the science calls geoglifi were created by ancient civilizations in order to show respect for their gods, or of replicating well known "As Above, So Below" The same way of copying the image of "Heavenly Paradise" is evident in Egypt, where the Sphinx and Pyramids are placed just in order reflected a perfect mirror of celestial movements of certain constellations and positions, not just the stars but the sun and moon .

                            Macedonia is in the list of world's oldest civilizations. Geogliyph about the size of a football field is located in Ovche Pole, near Sveti Nikole. Clearly visible from a helicopter, airplane, and - on Google Maps
                            Part of the local population is aware of the existence of this place more than 15 years, and no doubt that for this was conscious and former Yugoslav Army. These days, scientists, adventurers, explorers from around the Balkans come surprisingly in Sveti Nikole, taking into account the many (over)natural phenomena in the environment. The position of this geoglyph is in a exact direction north - south and located above the village Crnilishte.
                            Coincidentally, the symbol painted on the ground which is not cultivated for centuries is the same with some words from the middle text of Rosetta Stone, deciphered by professors Bosevski Tome and Aristotle Tentov. Their work clearly shows that the letter and the language of our ancestors is the root not only of Macedonian, but through out to the Glagolitic and all Slavic languages. According transcription, read from north to south, the picture visible from the sky corresponds to the Supreme Deity of ancient Macedonians, God DZE (one who sees All, Supreme, Ruler, Prophet, The Sacred Eye, The Great Eye) and his tribute to the Great Mother The Great Mother of the whole world - MACEDONIA

                            The analogy of the symbol reflected the country with the supreme deity of the ancient people of the region awakened interest among many people in Macedonia.
                            Being interested in this place, calculate another interesting parallel - north of there is a megalithic observatory Kokino and south Alshar mine with lorandite. Through communication with researchers in this field, understood, and the similarity in the constellation Cassiopeia and its movement by Northern Star.
                            the place where it's located is named KANDA
                            Paeonian God of War was KANDAON

                            to be continued..

                            izvor: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-879545

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                            • DedoAleko
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                              • Jun 2009
                              • 969

                              Again about the geoglyph,this time in "Vecer":

                              google translate:

                              Is the grave of Alexander Makedon in Svetinikolsko

                              By Croatian researcher Domagoj Nikolic , who set a hypothesis that Ovce Pole is the tomb of the great military commander and conqueror , son of Philip II of Macedon , the next three days in Macedonia will pay an international team of experts with sophisticated equipment that will try to solved mysteries hidden in this ancient end


                              Scholars of international reputation with sophisticated equipment of today begin by exploring several locations in Ovce Field , where it has evidence of Paionian town , and a few years ago opened the dilemma whether it was on this site is the tomb of the great ancient vosjkovodec , Alexander . Work will be performed in the coming days, but geoglifot will explore the sites and megalithic White Dawn Wall Bogoslovec known as Devil's Wall . Call for information and research on presence , which is open to the public , was released on www.ovcepole.com.
                              - For the first time in Macedonia will be done arheoakustichno and electromagnetic survey equipment from the " Demiurge " Zagreb , so I urge anyone interested in the site to learn about scientists , working methods and equipment that will be used . There are no restrictions on attendance , but that visitors should turn off cell phones and any other electronic equipment with them . The included devices could cause interference in the operation of the equipment . All previous research are public information and always giving of use , insight , analysis and verification of institutions and scientists who will show interest - said the young explorer Nicolas Ristevski , which will be part of the international expert team of researchers , which included more Dr. Slobodan Mizdrak , Mr. Domagoj Nikolic , Dr. Paolo Debertolis Dr. Velimir Abramovic , Dr. Aristotle Tentov Dr. Zlatan Alichevikj , Heikki Savolainen , Igor Tomek . The works will be carried out under the guidance of professional head of archaeological research professor . Dear Dr. Mitrevski . Macedonian professional team is composed of staff at the City Museum in St. Nikole - Director Alexander Arsov archaeologists and Mr. Vladimir Atanasov and Alexander Nacev .
                              It is interesting that in the next three days will stay in Sveti Nikole researcher Croatian Domagoj Nikolic , who for the first time in the show " The rubu znanosti " spoke about his research in Macedonia and geoglifot . The facilitator then show that this heavenly arrow certainly deserves more attention from satellite images. Independent researcher Croatian Nikolic ( which , incidentally, has impressive portfolio ) their claims based on astroteoloshki reading this symbol . The image of the constellation Cassiopeia reflected the geoglifot in honor of the birthday of Alexander the Great , which is celebrated every year in the period from 21 to 23 July. In fact , Nikolic claims , solely in those days geoglif this is reflected in the constellation Cassiopeia , which has the same shape in the contours of geoglifot . Professor of the University of Skopje , Tentov Aristotle , however , told media that this place has a whole text that speaks about who built the tomb , but that is buried inside might show these archaeological research.

                              The Mayor of the Municipality of Sveti Nikole Zoran liquorice interest of the scientific community , of course examinations and results that you get an excellent foundation for the development of archaeological tourism , and therefore economic development and popularization of the municipality .
                              - I am pleased that as local governments have taken measures enabled the coming an international team because their research they will give precise or approximate results that hides most Geoglif , located on She was dawn , and the megalithic Bogoslovec wall . With that in future we can plan our development activities and all one team working on the development of archaeological tourism will get a confirmation in the international arena, said the mayor EVENING liquorice .

                              An international team of researchers that in the coming days will stay in Sveti Nikole previously worked in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia , Italy , Great Britain , Egypt , Sudan , Iran , Malta and other locations . Are expected to attend and more eminent scientists from Macedonia , from different areas .

                              izvor: http://vecer.com.mk/?ItemID=660DD967...33D7C404D35D56

                              Because of the elections we will read all sorts of crap, but I think there must be something of great importance there if dpmne timed these excavations with the elections. I just wonder of how big importance.

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                              • DedoAleko
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                                • Jun 2009
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                                google translate:

                                The site Stibera hiding many secrets

                                Found object assembly where representatives of towns or parts of municipalities made ​​decisions for the city and the territory. They base their decisions written in stone and later emphasized. Such representative buildings had only wealthy cities, archaeologists say



                                UNIQUE sites with representative objects


                                At each step of the excavations under the wall, near the ancient temple site Tihe Stibera feels tremendous excitement among archaeologists that year revealed significant objects and artifacts that shed new light on the significance of the site.
                                Excitement does not hide us Lilcic Victor, director of the Cultural Heritage Protection after sensational discovery of the remains of a National Assembly Stibera.
                                - What we found is seldom an important archeological discovery, because before this facility are found in the territory of the state. This year, the site found a total of three very important items. One is residential and dating from the third century and excavated south of Temple Tihe, the other is an altar or shrine in Bakarno threshing floor, and the object for which we feel is bulevterion - Assembly - says Lilcic

                                Statue dedicated to the daughter of "a Makedoniarh"

                                Lilcic underlines that during the excavation of the site has been detected and architectural stone building with a wreath zabest frieze.
                                - Even when out of the area that we knew before significant discovery. The inscription, which read Professions Nada Proeva and Slavica Babamova writes, quote: "The Assembly of Stibera dedicates the statue and raised it to the daughter of a Makedoniarh" - says Lilcic.
                                As it explains, it is a facility meeting or gathering place where elders or representatives of towns or parts of municipalities made ​​decisions for the city and the territory. They base their decisions written in stone and later emphasized.
                                - The territory of Macedonia such buildings nasetuvani through monuments of Ohrid from Heraclea and Stibera, but so far had not seen the actual buildings. First excavating this building and this unique case is yet to be investigated. He is simultaneously an argument that proves that democracy in this region are still practiced in the period from the first to the third century BC - tells Lilcic.

                                The site will be disclaims and illuminates

                                Archaeologist Dusko Temelkoski Museum of Prilep, as project manager, confirmed that the site is discovered and highly valuable artifacts.
                                - The first object I found was an altar, a second workshop for metal products, and we have a sanctuary bird deity with the head, I suppose that could be a sanctuary of the god Horus. The house that he says is a monumental wall assembly found processed on the inside. Such representative building had only wealthy cities - adds Temelkoski.
                                From Prilep Museum say that this finding is very important not only for the institution but for the town of Prilep.
                                - Planned presentation of findings, and further thinking about fencing and lighting the space for it to become a tourist site of the first rank - Gordana D highlights. Spiroska, director of the Institute and Museum of Prilep.
                                Revealed valuable artifacts

                                The Stibera year and discovered many movable finds: pottery, kitchen ceramics, ceramic lamps, terracotta, about 25 bronze coins from the Roman period from the first to the third century, and coins from the late Macedonian epoch that will be preserved and presented to the public



                                izvor: http://novamakedonija.mk/NewsDetal.a...tIzdanie=23209

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