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  • Niko777
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 1895

    New sign installed between Aegean Macedonia and Thessaly


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    • Niko777
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 1895

      List of INSTITUTIONAL NAME CHANGES published by the Government of North Macedonia

      Full List: https://vlada.mk/sites/default/files...makedonija.pdf

      Some examples:

      Old name: Macedonian Opera and Ballet
      New name: National Opera and Ballet

      Old name: Museum of Macedonia
      New name: Museum of the Republic of North Macedonia

      Old name: Macedonian Radio Televsion (MRT)
      New name: National Radio Television (NRT)

      Old name: Center of Culture "Macedonia" - Gevgelija
      New name: Center of Culture - Gevgelija

      Old name: Public State Enterprise "Macedonian Forestry"
      New name: Public State Enterprise "National Forestry"

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      • Tomche Makedonche
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 1123

        Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
        List of INSTITUTIONAL NAME CHANGES published by the Government of North Macedonia

        Full List: https://vlada.mk/sites/default/files...makedonija.pdf

        Some examples:

        Old name: Macedonian Opera and Ballet
        New name: National Opera and Ballet

        Old name: Museum of Macedonia
        New name: Museum of the Republic of North Macedonia

        Old name: Macedonian Radio Televsion (MRT)
        New name: National Radio Television (NRT)

        Old name: Center of Culture "Macedonia" - Gevgelija
        New name: Center of Culture - Gevgelija

        Old name: Public State Enterprise "Macedonian Forestry"
        New name: Public State Enterprise "National Forestry"
        Can DPNE acuse SDS of being Nationalists now?
        “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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        • Risto the Great
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 15658

          They should have stuck with "constitutional". It's equally vague and useless.
          Risto the Great
          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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          • Soldier of Macedon
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 13670

            Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
            List of INSTITUTIONAL NAME CHANGES published by the Government of North Macedonia

            Full List: https://vlada.mk/sites/default/files...makedonija.pdf

            Some examples:

            Old name: Macedonian Opera and Ballet
            New name: National Opera and Ballet

            Old name: Museum of Macedonia
            New name: Museum of the Republic of North Macedonia

            Old name: Macedonian Radio Televsion (MRT)
            New name: National Radio Television (NRT)

            Old name: Center of Culture "Macedonia" - Gevgelija
            New name: Center of Culture - Gevgelija

            Old name: Public State Enterprise "Macedonian Forestry"
            New name: Public State Enterprise "National Forestry"
            I wonder when that maggot will change the name of his own party given that it ends with the word Macedonia. And too bad they changed MRT to NRT, I was looking forward to the appropriately fitting SMRT.
            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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            • Tomche Makedonche
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2011
              • 1123



              North Macedonia to rename state-funded bodies, keep anthem

              SKOPJE, North Macedonia (AP) — Newly renamed North Macedonia's government says 136 state-funded institutions will adjust their names in the next four months under a historic deal the country formerly known as Macedonia struck with neighboring Greece last year.

              But the national anthem will remain unchanged, retaining all references to Macedonia, government spokesman Mile Boshnjakovski said Wednesday. He told the Associated Press that it is part of the country's national heritage and culture, and is thus exempt from the deal.

              He said the country's state orchestra, TV and news agency will have the word "Macedonian" replaced by "National" in their names. But the Macedonian National Theater won't change, being a cultural institution.

              Among the institutions to be renamed is the central bank, which will become the National Bank of the Republic of North Macedonia.
              “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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              • Risto the Great
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 15658

                The name of the country is part of Macedonia's national heritage and culture. Perhaps they can keep that as well.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • Pelagonija
                  Member
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 533

                  Wow.. I’m speechless. Soulless names for a soulless country.

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                  • Niko777
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 1895

                    MEANWHILE in GREECE...



                    Photo taken yesterday in Gorno Kleshtino, Lerinsko

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                    • Risto the Great
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 15658

                      They call it Yugoslavia thatta way and Florina thissa way.

                      Meanwhile Dumbadonia is renaming their children before the ink has dried.
                      Risto the Great
                      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                      • YuriB
                        Junior Member
                        • Jan 2019
                        • 54

                        Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
                        MEANWHILE in GREECE...



                        Photo taken yesterday in Gorno Kleshtino, Lerinsko
                        Is it too late to add to the deal that Macedonia must also pay for the signs to change in Greece? We are poor you know!
                        Regards,
                        A Greek supporting self-determination of Macedonians!

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                        • Carlin
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 3332

                          YuriB, it may not be too late.

                          Greece is quite busy running around catching "provocations" and "incidents".

                          Examples:




                          PS:

                          According to the official position of Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs the Macedonian nation is still a "product" of Tito, the word Macedonia is a "Greek word", the ancient Macedonians are Greeks -- official link here:
                          Last edited by Carlin; 03-09-2019, 04:08 PM.

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                          • Carlin
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3332

                            Another "provocation".

                            North Macedonian diplomat calls country Macedonia at EU meeting

                            North Macedonia’s Ambassador Rusi Popovska referred to Alexis Tsipras’ forthcoming trip to Skopje by saying, “Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras is going to visit Macedonia, and it is the first visit of a Greek prime minister to our country.”

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                            North Macedonia's Ambassador Rusi Popovska referred to Alexis Tsipras’ forthcoming trip to Skopje by saying, “Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras is going to visit Macedonia, and it is the first visit of a Greek prime minister to our country.”


                            Main opposition New Democracy is up in arms over repeated violations of the terms of the Prespa Agreement by Skopje.

                            “Before the ink of the signatures on the Prespa Agreement dried, the Ambassador of North Macedonia to the European Unioreferred to her country as “Macedonia” during an official preparatory meeting of the Joint Parliamentary Committee of the EU and North Macedonia,” said main opposition New Democracy spokesperson Maria Spyraki.

                            Spyraki said that Ambassador Rusi Popovska referred to Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’ forthcoming trip to Skopje by saying, “Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras is going to visit Macedonia, and it is the first visit of a Greek prime minister to our country.”

                            The reference constitutes a glaring violation of the Prespa Agreement.

                            Spyraki, a European Parliament deputy (MEP), said she will submit a question to the European Commission.

                            North Macedonian MPs are scheduled to meet next week with MEPs in Strasbourg in the framework of the joint parliamentary committee, of which Spyraki is a regular member.

                            Spyrakis’ question to the European Commission is as follows:

                            “In the framework of the preparatory meeting of the Joint Parliamentary Committee of the EU and North Macedonia in Brussels, North Macedonia’s Ambassador, Rusi Popovska, during an exchange of views with members of the committee, repeatedly used the name “Macedonia” in referring to the Republic of North Macedonia, and in particular in the presence of members of the Commission’s Directorate-General for Neighbourhood and Enlargement Negotiations.

                            “In one instance, she stated verbatim, “Prime Minister Tsipras is expected to visit Macedonia, which will be the first ever bilateral visit of a Greek Prime Minister to our country.

                            “Taking into account that upon implementation of the Prespa Agreement, the official name of the country for all uses is “Republic of North Macedonia” or “North Macedonia”, one asks the Commission:

                            Is the use of the term “Macedonia” by official representatives of North Macedonia considered a proper implementation of the Prespa Agreement, particularly in the presence of members of the Commission’s Directorate-General for Neighbourhood and Enlargement Negotiations?”

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                            • Carlin
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 3332

                              China denies Greek company request over use of ‘Macedonian’

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                              China denied on February 23 a request by a Greek company over the use of term ‘Macedonian’, elaborating that this...


                              China denied on February 23 a request by a Greek company over the use of term ‘Macedonian’, elaborating that this requires an approval from the neighboring country, Maria Spyraki, spokesperson of Greek opposition party New Democracy, said at the briefing of political commentators on Monday.

                              Without disclosing the name of the business, I hereby inform you that we have a rejection from China of a Greek company’s request for the use of the term ”Macedonian” for its products, on the grounds that it cannot be used without the permission of the neighboring country. The rejection is dated February 23, 2019″, said Spyraki, MIA reported.

                              The New Democracy spokesperson mentioned the example in the context of Tsipras’ visit to Skopje, and commenting on trademarks said that “Greek businesses are already paying the cost of the damaging agreement”.

                              With the Prespa Agreement, the government has left the issue of trademarks, brands and brand names for our Macedonian products for three years. Greek businesses are already paying the cost of this damaging agreement, Spyraki said.

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                              • Carlin
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 3332

                                Zaev: I agreed to name change as Tsipras accepted Macedonian identity

                                In a debate with opposition VMRO-DPMNE leader Hristijan Mickoski, Zaev also noted that Tsipras had initially accepted the name Republic of Ilinden Macedonia


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                                North Macedonia’s Prime Minister, Zoran Zaev, has said that he agreed to change his country’s name and Constitution because PM Alexis Tsipras accepted the existence of a Macedonian identity.

                                In a debate with opposition VMRO-DPMNE leader Hristijan Mickoski, Zaev also noted that Tsipras had initially accepted the name Republic of Ilinden Macedonia.

                                Zaev said that the idea was scrapped due to an uproar among opposition parties in Greece.

                                Zaev said that the Macedonian language and Macedonian identity are “shining in the UN”.

                                “The writing of the Macedonian language and of Macedonian identity is shining in the UN where they were registered without asterisks or footnotes. The Macedonian language is the language of the Macedonians in Australia, America, Canada, Switzerland, and Germany, and no one disputes that,” Zaev declared.

                                “Macedonian is the language of Macedonians all over the world, in the diaspora and in the fatherland. It is the official language that is recognised everywhere. It is part of the identity of the Macedonian people as guaranteed in the Constitution,’ said the PM of North Macedonia.

                                Zaev fiercely defended the Prespa Agreement on the grounds that it paves the way to the admission of North Macedonia and the EU, while Mickoski argued that the accord harms his country’s national interests.

                                Despite being pressured by the moderator and Zaev to say whether his party will honour the agreement if it comes to power, the main opposition leader refused to answer.



                                Zaev manages to make a fool out of DPNE’s Mickoski with a simple question

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                                During last night’s debate between US Embassy representative Zaev and US Embassy representative Mickoski, it took Zaev 36 seconds to make a fool out of fake patriot Mickoski who earlier used a Macedonian pin to score points with the viewers.

                                Admittedly, Zaev isn’t able to debate a rock, let alone a human being, however, during the high strangeness of this debate where both the illegal Government and the controlled opposition have the same boss, it was Zaev who put Mickoski into a corner with a simple question: If you come to power, would you nullify the Prespa agreement? Mickoski had no response, his bosses at the Kale are watching.

                                This 36 seconds clip, Mickoski’s face, the silence… tells you all you need to know what the DPNE is and who they work for.

                                Last edited by Carlin; 03-28-2019, 09:18 PM.

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