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Tomche Makedonche 03-05-2018 02:45 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;172256]Was this protest about the "vibe" of what is going on?
I honestly am not sure who the adversary is here and how the protest was framed. Great to see so many Macedonians out, but I still remain confused about what they hoped to achieve given nobody is doing this in the RoMacedonia.[/QUOTE]

I would say the protest’s central theme was about declaring the diaspora’s position on the name negotiations (being that they should cease), and declaring we are Macedonia. There is obviously nothing to disagree with in that respect.

From what I’ve been able to gather based on the content of the multiple speeches, which varied at each venue, the main adversary appears to be the current government, as generally all seemed to be directed against SDS and Zaev, with comments of illegitimacy, forceful instalment by foreign powers such as US and EU, and treason, etc. There did not seem to be much, if any, direct criticism of DPNE which is a shame, as objectively, it creates the perception of a DPNE bias.

All seem to mention and condemn the bill introducing bilingualism, however I don’t think I heard any mention of the Ohrid Framework Agreement.

All seem to mention and condemn the “Friendship” Agreement with Bulgaria.

All mentioned the Treaty of Bucharest and highlighted the denationalisation of our people by the Greeks as well as the plight of our minorities in the occupying territories, which is something that needs to be emphasized at every opportunity since the Republic has had no intention of publicly addressing the issue.

All appeared to denounce NATO, the EU and the UN for their approach regarding the name issue.

None however appeared to delve into any introspective criticism of our nation

Although all speeches I’ve heard were generally well conveyed and received, if I was to have to pick one to be highlighted it would be that by Chris Angelkov at the Perth rally.

What they hoped to achieve?, I guess by showing the diaspora’s strength and solidarity regarding this issue, it would hopefully influence and encourage more people in the Republic to start to stand up and fight for their rights. Whether these attempts will have any success?, I guess we are all well aware of the cynicism shared amongst us regarding this matter, however for the time being, there really is no harm in giving hope a shot for now.

Irrespective whether these diaspora protests do produce any results in the Republic, as Vangelovski pointed out, domestically I think this event did good for the community which will hopefully lead to a strengthening in solidarity for the political battles to come, even if many were not fully in tune with the context of the protest. In this respect, admittedly, these events help to introduce and raise more interest amongst those same people, which then provides the opportunity for them to become more active and aware of the real issues facing our nation.

Rogi 03-05-2018 05:59 AM

It was a global protest, in many cities around the world and of course including Skopje which, despite the freezing below zero weather and despite the fact the both major parties in Macedonia either didnt support it or actively tried to stop it, there was still a massive turnout.

It was non-partisan in the Diaspora, both major political parties in Macedonia were condemned, but more was addressed toward the current Government given the most recent developments.


Video of the Melbourne rally below, you can get a sense of the size of the crowd although you dont see all the crowdcon the left side of Parliament and along the Imperial Hitel which was quite a large portion of the crowd


[url]https://youtu.be/hJSsAzWpf5s[/url]

Pelagonija 03-05-2018 07:26 AM

No mention of the protests in the pro sds government [url]http://meta.mk[/url]

Proof that Macedonia currently has a dictatorship as a government..

Fark them all..I hope we get to see Zaev burn in flesh as against photos being burnt..

Vangelovski 03-05-2018 08:47 PM

This clown:

[url]https://www.facebook.com/blagojco.gorgiev.3/videos/1951468844882174/[/url]

Usual excuse - they have to give up the name because they are too poor.

Firstly, kakov narod, takva drzava. You're poor because as a people you can't get your shit together. Not because promaja rained down hell on your country.

Secondly, there's literally over 100 countries where people live on less than 200 euros a month and they're not selling their arse.

This is a brainless excuse to try and justify their self-loathing attitude.

Risto the Great 03-05-2018 09:15 PM

200 Euro a month and he buys a tattoo.
Nothing would help this guy.

Vangelovski 03-05-2018 09:25 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;172276]200 Euro a month and he buys a tattoo.
Nothing would help this guy.[/QUOTE]And ciggy's. But he got a free lighter he flogged from Damo.

Bill77 03-05-2018 09:39 PM

Jews in Isreal absolutely love their diaspora....
Greeks love their diaspora....
Even non progressed Arabs in every part of the Middle East love their diaspora...
Actually, i cant think of one nation or race, where its citizens don't love their diaspora.

Except for Macedonians.
what the fuck is wrong with them?

vicsinad 03-05-2018 09:59 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;172276]200 Euro a month and he buys a tattoo.
Nothing would help this guy.[/QUOTE]

Or the 2,000 Macedonians who liked his video.

Phoenix 03-05-2018 10:19 PM

[QUOTE=Bill77;172278]Jews in Isreal absolutely love their diaspora....
Greeks love their diaspora....
Even non progressed Arabs in every part of the Middle East love their diaspora...
Actually, i cant think of one nation or race, where its citizens don't love their diaspora.

Except for Macedonians.
what the fuck is wrong with them?[/QUOTE]

Welcome back stranger :thumbup1:

You're right Bill...there always seems to be a level of contempt for the diaspora...in many ways the diaspora and those in the Republic seem to be diverging at a very rapid pace...

It pisses me off no end that many in the Republic believe that they have a God given right to wealth and prosperity or that they would trade their culture, history and identity to achieve the promise of immediate wealth.

The diaspora still has a majority of very hard working citizens that have immense pride in their background and identity...I don't see those same qualities in young people in the Republic today.

Stojacanec 03-05-2018 10:21 PM

He is not alone with those low pay rates in the Balkans.

Did Greece, Bulgaria or Croatia need to change their name/identity to get into these clubs?


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