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  • Spartan
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1037

    Hellenic religion



    Most of us have heard of the great Hellenes of old. Stories of Gods and Heroes, philosophers and poets abound in our history books. Many with an interest in the demise of Hellas often ask themselves "What happened?" Where did those ideals go and why are those that call themselves 'Greek' today ignorant and superstitious? Many have said that the true Hellenic race no longer exists and that those that claim to be its heirs are mere impostors. Few people are willing to acknowledge that the advent of christianity meant the destruction of Hellas. Faced with the historical facts though, the dark forces that have occupied our nation for almost 2000 years resort to lies, aggression and at times open violence, in order to maintain their enormous wealth and hypnotic power over the semiliterate.

    In 324 Era Vulgaris, having been impressed by the refusal of christians to denounce their God, the Roman Emperor Constantinus declared this bizarre sect the official religion of his realm. He built a new capital, Nova Roma on the site of the ancient town of Byzantium, which like Rome was surrounded by seven hills. Followers of the native religion were persecuted and their ancient temples destroyed. In fact, the word Hellenas became an accusation and referred to followers of the traditional Pantheon(s). Ôhe Greek-speaking christians of the New Order preferred to call themselves 'Romans' (Romaioi), and later 'Romioi'.

    In the year 393, Emperor Theodosius outlawed the Olympic Games. The Library of Alexandria, a centre of Hellenistic civilisation and learning, was burnt down by a rabid mob along with most of its books. Later, the last of the Hellenic philosophers (amongst them Hypatia) were either hacked to pieces and their remains scattered in the streets, or burned at the stake. Classical works of science and literature were hunted down and destroyed. With the demise of the polytheistic Hellenic civilisation the dark ages fell like a black curtain over the world.

    Christianity, after years of dispute eventually split into two, with the eastern branch calling itself 'Orthodox'. The Turks to the East were becoming an increasing threat to the Byzantines and the desperate Palaeologian Emperors considered aid from the West. The priests of Constantinople though, fearing Papist influence struck a deal with the Ottomans. The church's authority would be allowed to continue as before after the conquest, as Islamic teachings guaranteed freedom of religion for the 'Ahl-al Khitab' (People of the Book).

    Despite today's theatrical denials, the Ottomans were in fact assisted in their conquest of Constantinople in 1453, by the 'fathers'. The city was heroically defended by only a few thousand soldiers and mercenaries, whilst almost half a million cowardly young men were serving their God in the monasteries. The last Emperor Konstantinos Palaiologos completely unaware of the betrayal, fell heroically as the Ottomans pillaged his unfortunate city. When the dust had settled, the Church's official explanation was that the fall of the Constantinople was 'God's Will' because its inhabitants had been sinful.

    Islamic Law (Sharia) was imposed on all Byzantine subjects, whilst the eastern church and its celibate hierarchy were rewarded with supreme rule over the orthodox slaves (ragiades). This included the Greek-speaking christians who were once again recognised, like all other orthodox subjects of the new empire, as 'The Roman people' (Milleti Rum). The orthodoxoi, made up of different nationalities, were placed under the direct and complete control of the Ecumenical Patriarch.

    Under the Ottomans, christianity thrived and the majority of the population remained ignorant and illiterate. Celibate priests regularly toured the countryside, escorted by Turkish officials. They demanded 'taxes', which they shared with the sultanate. Resistance to this oppression by the half-starved 'slaves' was met with threats of excommunication. It was considered appropriate that good christians remain servile.

    ... Hellenic Civilisation had all but died.

    In the first half of the 19th century, part of the land they call Greece finally gained 'independence'. A suitable king was imported by its western sponsors, first from Bavaria and later from Denmark. 'Modern Greek history' was rewritten and a 'Graeco-Christian Tradition' invented. Tragically, the Orthodox Church put itself forward as the saviour of Hellenism. No one remained to contest its claims though, as the slaves had long learnt the art of servitude.

    We the heirs of polytheistic Hellas, are the real Hellenes that honour our ancestral Gods and Heroes. We practice and defend the genuine Traditions, Religion and Ethos of our nation despite centuries of persecution. All we ask for is freedom of religion and freedom for our people to make up their own minds. For us Identity is sacred, it either relates to individuals or to nations and tribal units.



    Heres another one-


    Tryphon Olympios, founder of the Return of Hellenes movement, presides over a baby-naming ceremony at the foot of Mount Olympus.

    For some modern Greeks and a growing number of foreigners, conventional ways of embracing Greece's rich past are insufficient. A perusal of Herodotus or an excursion to the Acropolis lack the personal satisfaction of participating in something larger than oneself. They want to live according to ancient ways, and to bring those ways to life through themselves.

    There is no way to confirm the number of followers, but leaders of the very loosely organized movement, commonly referred to as the Hellenes or the Dodecatheon, after the 12 gods of the Greek pantheon, say there are maybe 2,000 hard-core practicing followers, and perhaps 100,000 nationwide who are open to the ideas and pursue some sort of interest. The movement has two main goals: to introduce a reformed version of ancient Greek religion, philosophy, and values to modern Greek society; and to curb the enormous power of the Greek Orthodox Christian Church. Many of the Hellenes' values are based on secular ancient Greek principles. Their mission is spread through self-published books, the Internet, and, on a more local level, discussion groups, courses in ancient Greek, and field trips to archaeological sites. Religious ceremonies and rituals are held both in groups and by individuals, at home and in public. The liturgical texts are largely based on Orphic hymns--invocations to the gods attributed to the mythical singer--and other ancient poetry. Some followers have small statues of the 12 gods on their living room shelves at home.

    Last edited by Spartan; 06-23-2010, 06:21 AM.
  • Risto the Great
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 15658

    #2
    Tom Cruise is a Hellene.
    Risto the Great
    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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    • Daskalot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 4345

      #3
      The seed that was sown in the 19th century was started to bring fruit...... brainwash is the best tool of control. Fools I say, mere fools......
      Macedonian Truth Organisation

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      • Risto the Great
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 15658

        #4
        Ahhh, give'em a break.
        Perhaps we will get lucky and they will sacrifice Dora to the Gods.
        Risto the Great
        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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        • Philosopher
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1003

          #5
          Gentlemen,

          I see nothing wrong with the rise of the pagan hellenic religion of antiquity. I can understand how some Greeks can interpret the loss of their civilization as the result of their apostacy from the gods of ancient times. I recall a biblical passage in the Old Testament, in the book of Jeremiah, the prophet, where the ancient Israelis argued that when they served their gods they propsered and had satiety of food; but when they did not honor and give homage to these gods and rather served the awful and dreadful God Jehovah, they were punished and did not prosper.

          After all, Athena and Apollo, Zeus and Pan, etc, were believed to be the revealers of hidden wisdom and knowledge.

          And Eros, or Cupid, certainly did much to inflame the passions and errections of Greeks.

          Now I understand this may seem silly to modern people; the idea that people should dress in hoary garbs of white and wear verdant diadems on the head is uncouth and silly; but friends, all religions, and all priests, have some peculiar raiment to it.

          Now I for one reject the pagan religions of old as an abomination; however, we live in a world (the West) where freedom of religion and liberty of conscience are pillars of human rights.

          I, however, would argue that these Greeks miss the point that the Christian Eastern Empire was a very prosperous and intellectually burgeoning time for Europe.

          Paganism is spreading in modern Europe rather rapidly. One of our forum members, the Dutchmen, is a pagan of the germanic tradition.

          There are many pagan traditions in Europe and more and more people are turning to this ancient knowledge for wisdom and guidance in a turbulent world.

          Paganism, on the surface, offers so much; it allows for all kinds of freedom, esp, sexual and in fact, encourages it. It is not a religion of holiness; when the gods themselves commit adultery and every vice imaginable, how much more humans!!!

          Paganism is mysterious and it makes it possible for mere mortals to tap into hidden wisdom and necromancy. Paganism is not like the Bible for Christians. It has no pope like Roman Catholicism; it does not have so many "Thou shalt nots" and more "Thou shalts."

          And, moreover, Paganism of all kinds teach that there is a common brotherhood and destiney for the human race. It stresses--like Chrisitanity--a coming golden age and a coming Messiah-a Christ.

          But paganism ultimately fails to provide one thing: salvation. For in paganism, there is no need for a savior, for sin is nothing; salvation is not a matter of heaven or hell but a matter of reincarnation and meditation. Paganism is not conerned with a wrathful God; nor are they concerned with being sinners in the hands of an angry God; paganism can not promise salvation and can not provide true hope of life eternal.
          Last edited by Philosopher; 03-07-2009, 11:01 PM.

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          • TrueMacedonian
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 3812

            #6
            Philosopher said;
            Gentlemen,

            I see nothing wrong with the rise of the pagan hellenic religion of antiquity. I can understand how some Greeks can interpret the loss of their civilization as the result of their apostacy from the gods of ancient times. I recall a biblical passage in the Old Testament, in the book of Jeremiah, the prophet, where the ancient Israelis argued that when they served their gods they propsered and had satiety of food; but when they did not honor and give homage to these gods and rather served the awful and dreadful God Jehovah, they were punished and did not prosper.

            You're joking right

            Do you need to read more things like this;






            to understand that todays "greek" has nothing to do culturally with the dead race of ancient Hellenes?
            Last edited by TrueMacedonian; 03-07-2009, 11:39 PM.
            Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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            • Philosopher
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 1003

              #7
              With all due respect True Macedonian, I don't think you understood my post at all. In fact, I think we are comparing apples with oranges here.

              The argument, as set forth by Spartan's article, and by websites promoting Hellenic religion, argue that their apostacy from their gods is the reason responsible for the fall of the Hellenic city states, culture, civilization, and the like.

              Based on this analysis, I concluded that I can see--on the surface--why some modern Greeks would return to their gods.

              Do not suppose that I'm making or premising the argument that modern Greeks are descendants of the ancients, that they are a pure race, that Hellenism was not imposed on them by the West and Russia, and that Europeans don't have a fascination with ancient Hellenic civilization.

              What I am arguing is that modern Greeks believe that they are inheritors of the ancients and as such, they desire to return to their gods. They believe that; and they further believe that such a return will bring back honor and glory and a return to Hellenic civilization above all others.

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              • Spartan
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 1037

                #8
                theres only a couple thousand of them from what Ive heard.
                Im sure 2000 clowns could be found in most countries on this earth....
                Last edited by Spartan; 06-23-2010, 06:24 AM.

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                • Risto the Great
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 15658

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Spartan View Post
                  Im sure 2000 clowns could be found in most countries on this earth....
                  We have the same number saying they are Bulgarians.
                  Risto the Great
                  MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                  "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                  Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                  • Daskalot
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 4345

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Spartan View Post
                    I told you these guys were nuts SoM, lol
                    Maybe I shouldnt have posted this, I feel I may have done my country a disservice

                    On the other hand, theres only a couple thousand of them from what Ive heard.
                    Im sure 2000 clowns could be found in most countries on this earth....
                    2000 today... give it some time and it will be the state religion in Greece, that is a promise.
                    Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                    • osiris
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1969

                      #11
                      these guys are taking their national delusion seriously, its the logical conclusion to the premise that hellenes exist in the modern greece. as for their religion i dont find it any more or less preposterous than chritsianity.

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                      • Philosopher
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1003

                        #12
                        Originally posted by osiris View Post
                        these guys are taking their national delusion seriously, its the logical conclusion to the premise that hellenes exist in the modern greece. as for their religion i dont find it any more or less preposterous than chritsianity.
                        Really???

                        How so?

                        Are you actually suggesting that the polythesitic gods of the ancients, who raped women, cheated on their wives, who were their sisters, committed the most despicable acts, lies, and cheats, can actually compare to Jesus Christ?

                        Are you actually suggesting that a religion that teaches humans can earn heaven through works is equally preposterous to the claims of Scripture that by grace we are saved and not through works?

                        Are you actually suggesting that Christianity, which has no illogical feasts and laws, can compare to the rites of paganist religions of old???

                        Are you comparing a religion--paganism--that has no basis for it in fact, with Christianity, which is established by prophecy and history???

                        Come on Osiris--has Isis and your son Horus put a spell on you???

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                        • Risto the Great
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15658

                          #13
                          Horus was a hell of a boy if Zeitgeist was true.
                          Risto the Great
                          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                          • Spartan
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1037

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                            We have the same number saying they are Bulgarians.
                            There you go...

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                            • Delodephius
                              Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 736

                              #15
                              Philosopher, are you anti-Pagan? Are you pro-Christian? If both are yes then please, don't even answer. I'll put you on my ignore members list immediately.
                              अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
                              उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
                              This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
                              But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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