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  • Albo
    Member
    • May 2014
    • 304

    Who were the Trojans?

    This documentary (with Albanian subtitles) aired the other day on Albanian T.V and lets just say the Greeks weren't happy.. for those interested in ancient history of the region could find this interesting..

  • Bill77
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 4545

    #2
    Originally posted by Albo View Post
    This documentary (with Albanian subtitles) aired the other day on Albanian T.V and lets just say the Greeks weren't happy.. for those interested in ancient history of the region could find this interesting..

    https://youtu.be/2M7BqAe-fQY
    Take it to a Albanian forum mate......
    http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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    • Bill77
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 4545

      #3
      But since youre here Albo...... answer me this.
      WTF is wrong with your people?

      BERLIN (Reuters) - "Denying Albania the prospect of one day becoming a European Union member could fuel Muslim radicalisation in the Balkan country, endangering regional stability", its prime minister Edi Rama said.



      Translation: "If you don't let us join the EU, we'll turn ISIS"
      http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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      • Albo
        Member
        • May 2014
        • 304

        #4
        Hi Bill

        Dunno if you know Rama well..
        This isn't the first time he has said this.. there was actually a debate I remember watching and this issue came up as to why Rama says this when he meets foreign leaders...

        The overall conclusion is that he is trying to speed up EU entry by pumping up the risk of " Muslim Radicalism " as the fear should hope fade for European accession in the near future...

        He's playing the "hurry up or Turkey and Russia would gladly take us if you dont want us" card..

        Europeans fear nothing more than radical Islam...something which is virtually nonexistent in Albania compared to the amount born and bread radicals in many western countries...

        IMO .. its all politics and he belives this might speed up the process.. weather it is an effective way to do so is another issue..

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        • tchaiku
          Member
          • Nov 2016
          • 786

          #5
          You shouldn't spread that thing. It's like begging to be embrassed.

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          • Amphipolis
            Banned
            • Aug 2014
            • 1328

            #6
            Originally posted by Albo View Post
            This documentary (with Albanian subtitles) aired the other day on Albanian T.V and lets just say the Greeks weren't happy.. for those interested in ancient history of the region could find this interesting..

            https://youtu.be/2M7BqAe-fQY
            I'm Greek, which parts do I have to see? Can you tell us the main point?

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            • Rogi
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 2343

              #7
              Albo, you said

              Europeans fear nothing more than radical Islam...something which is virtually nonexistent in Albania compared to the amount born and bread radicals in many western countries...
              and yet...all research and articles say the opposite, with Albanians from Kosovo, Albania and Macedonia as the highest source of jihadists in Syria from the Western world.

              Extensive research suggests that about 500 ethnic Albanians from the Western Balkans have traveled to Syria and Iraq since 2012, predominantly joining the Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusrah (JN).[1] For the most part these fighters are the product of a well-integrated regional network of extremist entities painstakingly expanded across the region over the past two … Continued

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              • Bill77
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 4545

                #8
                Originally posted by Albo View Post
                Hi Bill

                Dunno if you know Rama well..
                This isn't the first time he has said this..
                Then he should be taken as a lunatic, Therefore his country shouldn't be taken seriously as a potential member of any European organisation.

                The overall conclusion is that he is trying to speed up EU entry by pumping up the risk of " Muslim Radicalism " as the fear should hope fade for European accession in the near future...
                Blackmail is a EU trait..... Though they might be impressed and such threats of terrorism might work in Macedonia, it's only effective when they (EU) serve it, not receive it.


                Europeans fear nothing more than radical Islam...
                Justifiably so. But they brought it all onto themselves. That's another thread.

                which is virtually nonexistent in Albania compared to the amount born and bread radicals in many western countries...
                What Rogi said......

                Originally posted by Rogi View Post
                Albo, you said



                and yet...all research and articles say the opposite, with Albanians from Kosovo, Albania and Macedonia as the highest source of jihadists in Syria from the Western world.

                https://ctc.usma.edu/ethnic-albanian...raq-and-syria/
                Last edited by Bill77; 04-27-2018, 03:53 AM.
                http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                • tchaiku
                  Member
                  • Nov 2016
                  • 786

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                  I'm Greek, which parts do I have to see? Can you tell us the main point?
                  Blind nationalism.

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                  • Albo
                    Member
                    • May 2014
                    • 304

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
                    Then he should be taken as a lunatic, Therefore his country shouldn't be taken seriously as a potential member of any European organisation.

                    Blackmail is a EU trait..... Though they might be impressed and such threats of terrorism might work in Macedonia, it's only effective when they (EU) serve it, not receive it.


                    Justifiably so. But they brought it all onto themselves. That's another thread.


                    What Rogi said......
                    Albanias bid for EU entry doesn't depend on a couple hundred Albanians who mostly went to the middle east more as paid mercenaries than for any ideological reason.

                    EU entry will occur if and when the powers that be see it as time "geopolitically" for Albania and others to enter.. eg. (See Bulgaria and Romania) who were far from ready to be member states but were fast tracked in minimise russian influence in that region..

                    Rama knows Islamic radicals have minimal if any ability to create any form of instability in Albania or Kosovo..
                    He is simply pointing out that there has been and still is Russian/Turkish melding in political processes in the region that has been largely made public and wants to maximise possible effect it might have on EU accession..

                    This article gives more insight on Albanians fighting for IS (who but the way has pretty much been wiped out)

                    -------------
                    Albanian fighters in a foreign war

                    Poverty, unemployment and a general lack of perspectives for the future makes it easy for radical Islamist preachers in Albania to lure and recruit young men for 'Islamic State' and jihad in Syria. Some never return.

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                    • Rogi
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2343

                      #11
                      Right, that article gives insight? It calls them victims of poverty and then tries to emphatise and justify their terrorism. Yet, that's not what happened with the Billions of people around the world who live in far worse conditions than those in Albania where the soil is rich, the crops grow and the water is plentiful. Oh and then the personal opinion of one mufti. My, Albo, at first I thought you were just naive and ignorant but it has become clear you are a propagandist apparatchik, no reasonable logical person would otherwise continue to hold your position.

                      I might just take the view of the many impartial groups who have facts and evidence, now published globally in hundreds of unique articles, over the biased view of one Albanian journalist and one mufti who have an interest in painting a picture different to reality

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                      • Albo
                        Member
                        • May 2014
                        • 304

                        #12
                        Regardless of what one mufti or 10 miftis think...
                        The fact that radical islam is minute in Albania and has zerooooo effect on the ground is a fact... not propaganda.. Albania has massive problems with crime and corruption.. but radical islam isn't a major issue.. there would be many more home grown radicals in London and Paris who would be much more or a danger to europe than some lost radicalized poverty struck Albanian could ever be..

                        You can show me all the obscure sites from unknown journalist and media outlets you like portraying Albanians as some evil monsters who want to islamasize the region with some obscure extreme form of the religion...

                        Or I could show you countless articles on inter religious harmony amongst Albanians as one of the few traits the world can take from Albanians...

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                        • Carlin
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 3332

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                          I'm Greek, which parts do I have to see? Can you tell us the main point?
                          I did not watch the whole thing, but if I can summarize it (from the segments I watched), the main points/theme are as follows:

                          - The Trojan War is widely believed to be a Greek war, but this is/was not the case in antiquity as per the documentary. That ancient war actually involved anyone who existed in that world, at that time, so it should not belong to modern Greeks only.
                          - It is argued that Illyrians, Trojans, Dardanians, Phrygians, Bryges, Pelasgians, etc. are all essentially one and the same people of non-Greek stock. Most importantly they were all ancestors of modern Albanians. Towards the very end of the documentary Murat Kerraj is shown sculpting a figure of Achilles, which he has done "with great passion, because Achilles has our roots."

                          Last edited by Carlin; 04-27-2018, 09:34 PM.

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                          • Rogi
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 2343

                            #14
                            Albo, you have mixed your story up.

                            First it is about external impact, then you talk about internal impact.

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                            • Carlin
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 3332

                              #15



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