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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    Riots in England

    David Cameron recently said that the Police can use whatever necessary tactics and that nothing is off the table where it concerns the response to the riots in England.

    Shopkeepers in Manchester, Birmingham, Cardiff and Bristol estimate losses in looted stock as streets are cleared of debris


    The true cost of the night's violence and vandalism across England began to emerge on Wednesday as hospital admissions and arrests were added up, streets cleared of burnt-out vehicles, and shopkeepers attempted to estimate their losses in ruined or looted stock and shattered premises.

    The scale of the destruction in Birmingham, Manchester and Salford shocked morning commuters and prompted shopkeepers fearful of a repeat performance to board up premises at lunchtime.

    Extensive trouble flared in Bristol, Liverpool and Nottingham, where the council leader said tactics used by the Met police in London – looters in the capital appeared initially to be left to help themselves in ransacked shops – had encouraged people in his city to do the same.

    Council leaders in Manchester, Salford and Nottingham also warned that anyone convicted of rioting would be evicted from their council homes.

    The violence also spread to Wales for the first time in the early hours of Wednesday, with an outbreak of arson and looting in Cardiff Bay. Smaller towns across England were also affected. In the Thames Valley region police reported "small outbreaks of disorder" in Reading, Oxford, Milton Keynes and Slough. In West Mercia extra officers were on patrol and 12 arrests were made across Herefordshire, Shropshire, Telford & Wrekin, and Worcestershire.


    Manchester

    Businesses in central Manchester were preparing for a repeat of the violence, which saw youths setting fire to a branch of Miss Selfridge and raiding shops selling trainers, jewellery and electronics.

    Greater Manchester police have now arrested more than 100 people. The majority were arrested on suspicion of criminal damage while about 17 were arrested for public order offences. Those arrested were aged between 15 and 58, and seven were under 18, police said. Assistant chief constable Garry Shewan said the violence was among the worst he had witnessed. "What we have seen are serious and unprecedented levels of violence and criminality on Greater Manchester's streets," he said.

    An 18-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of arson after police trawled through hours of CCTV footage on suspicion of the attack on the Miss Selfridge store. Shewan promised: "We will work just as quickly through all the hundreds of hours of material at our disposal to ensure the right people end up in front of the courts and face justice for their actions."

    The damage to the city's business district was widespread. At a branch of the camera chain Jessops, unscathed the first night, store managers were preparing to board up again. The manager, Johnny Tighe, said: "We moved high-value stock off the shop floor and put wooden boards up over the windows by 6pm."

    The looters who targeted Dawsons, a musical instrument store in central Manchester, knew what they wanted.

    Breaking the giant plateglass windows, they pushed aside drum kits and pianos to smash display cabinets of computer equipment. Music has been Manchester's best-known export in recent decades, and the thieves knew what would sell.

    Mark Taylor, the managing director of the chain of north-west stores, said: "Its expensive, portable and obviously highly desirable. All the synthesisers have been stolen, and the portable keyboards."

    Neil Mutter, 58, the owner of the family-run jewellery shop AE Mutter, established in 1884 in the city's Northern Quarter, said: "I feel remarkably calm. We clean up and smile. I feel glad that the other businesses in the area haven't been targeted. Our customers have been brilliant. They have been calling in saying they have video of the people who did it and offering to help."

    In Piccadilly Gardens, where youths confronted the police at night, hundreds of volunteers gathered with brooms to clean up, but found much of the work had already been done by municipal staff who volunteered their time overnight. Carl Austin, in an "I ❤ MCR" T-shirt, said: "We've come out not so much to clean up but to show solidarity. This isn't political. Its just youth running riot."

    Addressing a crowd who gathered in Piccadilly Gardens, police faced calls for the looters to be sternly punished, whatever their age.

    "They shouldn't just get away with a slap," said Paul Gaines, 54. He urged the public to face down looters: "We need crowds of people to say: 'Not in our city'."

    Salford

    In Salford's Shopping City, blitzed by looters on Tuesday night, traders were putting up shutters by lunchtime. The destruction caused greater disruption of daily life than in next-door Manchester.

    Shops hit ranged from pawnbrokers and cobblers to a travel agent. The post office was shut after its windows were smashed. Residents said elderly people had been unable to collect their pensions.

    Rioters had smashed windows to loot a branch of Timpsons before setting it ablaze. Darren Brown, area manager for the chain, said: "The cost of putting this place back together will be massive. It will also affect the confidence people have in coming back to Salford."

    Police said they had not advised businesses to close early, but a self-imposed curfew took effect. Traders said the looters were unafraid to attack shops even in daylight.

    Residents were dismayed at the damage done to the city's reputation. Anthony Kirwin, 24, who works at the Wilkinson bargain homeware shop, said: "Salford's not a bad place at all. I've worked here seven years. We have a lot of shoplifting, but stuff like this never happens."

    Steve, a resident who refused to give his surname, said: "A lot of people say how much they love Salford – then why are they going out and smashing things up? If you were to line up all the people who did this we would know at

    least 50% of them."


    West MidlandsTrouble spread to the centres of West Bromwich and Wolverhampton although it was sporadic and largely contained. A quieter night in Birmingham was overshadowed by the deaths of the three young British Asians.


    Shopkeepers have been froced to organise their own protection because of pressure on West Midlands police, who have made 303 arrests since Monday afternoon. Most of the damage was done on Monday night when looters managed to get into the Bull Ring centre and do £500,000 damage to Emporio Armani.

    On Tuesday night, a similar strategy of a fluid mob using Twitter, BlackBerry phones and texts to outwit police and constantly regroup was foiled by Bull Ring staff although two doors were smashed in. Rioters found fences barring their way and four privately hired guard dog teams. Along the bazaar-like stretch of Soho Road in inner-city Handsworth, metal shutters and large groups of men played the same role for British Asian stores.


    Bristol

    In Bristol police released dramatic footage of a jewellery shop being looted in the city centre, and still images of 17 alleged rioters taken on Monday night, and urged the public to name them. The videos from CCTV systems in the Cabot Circus shopping centre capture a group of at least 10 men, women and youths, some on bikes, breaking through the window of the Thomas Sabo jewellery shop where thousands of pounds of goods was stolen.

    Other CCTV images show masked men looting takeaway shops, others with uncovered faces, a man stepping out of a jewellery shop window, and suspects carrying electrical goods under their arms.

    On Tuesday, all four party leaders on Bristol city council, the Liberal Democrat council leader Barbara Janke, Labour leader Peter Hammon, Tory leader Peter Abraham and Green party leader Tess Green, issued a statement condemning the violence, which has so far led to 24 arrests.

    They said the violence was "shocking, yet relatively isolated" compared with other cities, and blamed it on "a small minority of opportunist anarchists".

    Four men, including two 17-year-olds, appeared in court variously charged with criminal damage, assaulting a police officer, theft from a shop and violent disorder. Avon and Somerset police arrested 19 people on Tuesday night, when the central area of the city was smothered with police from across the west country. The force said it had taken "robust action to prevent repeat scenes of violence and disorder"

    Liverpool

    All that remained of Tuesday's unrest in Wavertree, near Toxteth, were scorched patches where cars had been set alight. On one street the shell of a torched VW Golf remained in a side street and many of the shops kept their shutters down. Some were boarded up after windows had been smashed.

    Council workers were out from 5am clearing up, as the council held an emergency meeting to consider banning gangs from congregating in an attempt to stop a third night of violence.

    Council Leader, Joe Anderson, said police would also be targeting individuals and talking to the parents of any of those identified as taking part in the violence.

    Trouble flared in Toxteth, with rioters attempting to break into Asda and some local shops. An estimated 200 rioters were involved at the height of the trouble and 50 arrests were made, over half of them teenagers.

    The fighting again centred on Lodge Lane, where the previous night's violence had started, with running battles with police lasting almost three hours. There was also trouble on the other side of the Mersey in Birkenhead, and

    the town centre was sealed off.

    Idris Majad, owner of a convenience store on Lawrence road in Wavertree, said the attack on his shop had cost him about £5,000. A refugee from Iraq, he had opened the shop just last month. "I came to this country for safety and when I got permission to remain I tried to invest. I borrowed money and I invested everything I had in this shop."


    Nottingham

    The Metropolitan police's tactics during the first three days of rioting in London were the "fundamental cause of the copycat violence" in other major English cities, said the leader of Nottingham council, Jon Collins.

    He told the Guardian people across England had watched "looters helping themselves to all kinds of goods while people stood by in London. They thought may be I will try that here".

    "My criticism of the Met police is the message that this sent out and it was the fundamental cause of copycat violence in a number of other cities."

    Nottingham saw police stations pelted with stones and one in Canning Circus firebombed after 10 young people were arrested for climbing on to a school roof. Cars were also set alight. The Labour councillor said that cuts to youth services had also played a part. "It's the first time in years that we have had not had provision for children's activities since the government cut our funding. We have to accept that is part of the problem".

    Police, who responded to 1,000 incidents, said more than 100 had been arrested in the city.Police cars with their sirens blaring raced up and down one of the main roads north out of the city centre during the afternoon in what appeared to be a show of strength.

    Despite this residents who had been caught up in the trouble on Tuesday say that they will not be venturing out at night. James Walker, who teaches international students in Nottingham, said that he had ended up being locked up in a pub after a standoff between a group of "kids" and police.

    "There were 16 kids all with hoodies shaking the doors and banging on them. It was a bad vibe last night."

    Al Needham, editor of Left Lion, a local cultural paper, said that the problem was "that kids were playing cat and mouse with the police last night. You have a city centre that is basically detached from its residents with very expensive shops and bars. It's a no go area for these kids."


    Cardiff

    Police have stepped up patrols and heightened their surveillance of social networking sites after four incidents including arson and an attempted looting in the city last night.

    South Wales police said they quickly suppressed "isolated" and "minor" incidents of disorder, including an attempted break-in of a JD Sports branch in Cardiff Bay and criminal damage at a takeaway in the Canton area. The first minister, Carwyn Jones, said the government was closely monitoring the disturbances.
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  • julie
    Senior Member
    • May 2009
    • 3869

    #2
    We arrived in London from our Ireland sojourn to connect to Macedonia. Security on the trains was amazing and Heathrow airport was an ordeal, they certainly up the security! A police officer shot dead a random man at a peaceful demonstration, the people are incensed at this. Police everywhere prior to the riots have guns on the person very visual and what appears to be mini machine guns!
    "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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    • slovenec zrinski
      Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 385

      #3
      What peaceful demontration? Wasnt this person shot in a cab?

      Darn....we are so angry...what to do? Oh lets burn down our own neighbourhoods. Lets murder some people and let us try and burn people alive in their homes...cause...we are so angry.....

      Mob mentality, morons and then some, most often, leftist apologists that try and excuse this behaviour with the usual mumbo jumbo....

      My maternal and paternal grandparents were piss poor. On the Slovenian side they at periods were at the brink of having no food at all at times....their kids grew up poor.....None of them saw this as an excuse to murder and burn and steal....

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      • Bill77
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 4545

        #4
        Has anyone seen this?

        Its the most sickening thing iv'e seen so far from these UK riots.
        Poor Boy, gets bashed then mugged.

        London Riot: Man in Barking gets mugged after being punched in the face - YouTube
        Last edited by Bill77; 08-11-2011, 05:47 AM.
        http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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        • Jankovska
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 1774

          #5
          It is so sad to see what is happening to Britain, a country that once carried the name Great. This is just simply sick and the people here have finally had enough. There will be some serious changes in the way police treats fucking losers that we work to pay for.
          As for the guy who was killed, who cares. All the people like him should be killed. He was a gang leader, drugs dealer, gun's dealer and had a gun with him when he was shot. I say bring it on and shoot all the ones that are like him
          The thugs that did all this are the mother fuckers that I and every honest citizen in the UK works to pay for. All their benefits should be slashed and they should go to jail for a very very long time. If the riots come back the police should start using real bullets and start killing this scumbags

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          • Jankovska
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 1774

            #6
            Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
            Has anyone seen this?

            Its the most sickening thing iv'e seen so far from these UK riots.
            Poor Boy, gets bashed then mugged.

            London Riots - Outrageous; Boy bleeding on floor 'Helped Up' & 'Robbed' - YouTube
            Yes this video made every normal person in the UK feel sick, even the PM himself. The morons should be found and brought to justice.
            the boy is fine now, recovering in hospital. The British people have started a compaign to collect money to replace all his stolen goods and pay to fly his parents over here. It just proves that this country still has amazing people who make me feel so proud to be part of it.

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            • Voltron
              Banned
              • Jan 2011
              • 1362

              #7
              When we run riot we may bust up the place but we dont act like this.
              There is a difference between us and other countries. There is an uwritten law here that hurting or maiming other ppl intentionally is a sign of barbarism. When those ppl were unintentionally burnt in a bank a couple years back there was a huge public outcry. Anarchists here have a sense of fairplay, you'll never see them knock somebody out to mugg them. Leave it to the British yobs to show class though.

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              • Phoenix
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 4671

                #8
                I think these riots in England show the precarious nature of civilized society and the reality that it doesn't take much to tip the balance toward total anarchy...in recent days we've seen mob mentality at its worst, from the bloodshed and mayhem on the streets of London to the carnage unleashed on worlds stockmarkets...

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                • Phoenix
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 4671

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Voltron View Post
                  When we run riot we may bust up the place but we dont act like this.
                  There is a difference between us and other countries. There is an uwritten law here that hurting or maiming other ppl intentionally is a sign of barbarism. When those ppl were unintentionally burnt in a bank a couple years back there was a huge public outcry. Anarchists here have a sense of fairplay, you'll never see them knock somebody out to mugg them. Leave it to the British yobs to show class though.
                  Shut up you fuckin' idiot...

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                  • Voltron
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1362

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                    I think these riots in England show the precarious nature of civilized society and the reality that it doesn't take much to tip the balance toward total anarchy...in recent days we've seen mob mentality at its worst, from the bloodshed and mayhem on the streets of London to the carnage unleashed on worlds stockmarkets...
                    lol ! Civilised society ? You have got to be shitting me. They come down here every year getting drunk, pissing on themselves and acting like a bunch of degenerates. And they are civil ? Stop by Heathrowstan lately ? dumbass....

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                    • Bill77
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 4545

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Voltron View Post
                      When we run riot we may bust up the place but we dont act like this.
                      There is a difference between us and other countries. There is an uwritten law here that hurting or maiming other ppl intentionally is a sign of barbarism. When those ppl were unintentionally burnt in a bank a couple years back there was a huge public outcry. Anarchists here have a sense of fairplay, you'll never see them knock somebody out to mugg them. Leave it to the British yobs to show class though.
                      Phoenix has a point.
                      http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                      • Phoenix
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 4671

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Voltron View Post
                        lol ! Civilised society ? You have got to be shitting me. They come down here every year getting drunk, pissing on themselves and acting like a bunch of degenerates. And they are civil ? Stop by Heathrowstan lately ? dumbass....
                        In a previous post I highlighted your inability to comprehend the simplest of messages, your response here is further proof that you're a dickhead.

                        My post was a generalization of what constitutes a "civilized society"...the point was how a perceived "civilized society" can easily slip into total anarchy, as we see in London today, as we saw in Sydney in 2005, as we've seen in LA in the recent past...

                        I understand that its a very long bow to draw but we can even extend the example to such places as that infernal shithole greece as well...

                        All those that participate in these unruly actions are fuckin' scum, that you are prepared to differentiate between the varying degrees of scum is really amusing, albeit in a very deluded way.

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                        • Voltron
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1362

                          #13
                          Explain to me how its civil then ? The system ? The infrastructure ? Govt Mechanisms ? Transportation ? Service ? The multiculturalism ?

                          There is a cultural difference even among hooligans and the Brits take the cake on this.
                          Last edited by Voltron; 08-11-2011, 07:35 AM.

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                          • Phoenix
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 4671

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Voltron View Post
                            Explain to me how its civil then ? The system ? The infrastructure ? Govt Mechanisms ? Transportation ? Service ? The multiculturalism ?

                            There is a cultural difference even among hooligans and the Brits take the cake on this.
                            civ·i·lized (sv-lzd)
                            adj.
                            1. Having a highly developed society and culture.
                            2. Showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement; humane, ethical, and reasonable:
                            3. Marked by refinement in taste and manners; cultured; polished.
                            Definition, Synonyms, Translations of civilized by The Free Dictionary

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                            • Voltron
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1362

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                              civ·i·lized (sv-lzd)
                              adj.
                              1. Having a highly developed society and culture.
                              2. Showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement; humane, ethical, and reasonable:
                              3. Marked by refinement in taste and manners; cultured; polished.
                              http://www.thefreedictionary.com/civilized
                              And they fail miserably on all three. Is this a joke ?

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