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  • Onur
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2389

    Euro 'will be dead in five years'

    Euro 'will be dead in five years'

    The euro will have broken up before the end of this Parliamentary term, according to the bulk of economists taking part in a wide-ranging economic survey for The Sunday Telegraph.


    The single currency is in its death throes and may not survive in its current membership for a week, let alone the next five years, according to a selection of responses to the survey – the first major wide-ranging litmus test of economic opinion in the City since the election. The findings underline suspicions that the new Chancellor, George Osborne, will have to firefight a full-blown crisis in Britain's biggest trading partner in his first years in office.


    Of the 25 leading City economists who took part in the Telegraph survey, 12 predicted that the euro would not survive in its current form this Parliamentary term, compared with eight who suspected it would. Five declared themselves undecided. The finding is only one of a number of remarkable conclusions, including that:

    • The economy will grow by well over a percentage point less next year than the Budget predicted in March.

    • The Government will borrow almost £10bn less next year than the Treasury previously forecast, despite this weaker growth.

    • Just as many economists think the Bank of England will not raise rates until 2012 or later as think it will lift borrowing costs this year.

    But the conclusion on the euro is perhaps the most remarkable finding. A year ago or less, few within the City would have confidently predicted the currency's demise. But the travails of Greece, Spain and Portugal in recent weeks, plus German Chancellor Angela Merkel's acknowledgement that the currency is facing an "existential crisis", have radically shifted opinion.

    Two of the eight experts who predicted that the currency would survive said it would do so only at the cost of seeing at least one of its members default on its sovereign debt. Andrew Lilico, chief economist at think tank Policy Exchange, said there was "nearly zero chance" of the euro surviving with its current membership, adding: "Greece will certainly default on its debts, and it is an open question whether Greece will experience some form of revolution or coup – I'd put the likelihood of that over the next five years as around one in four."

    Douglas McWilliams of the Centre for Economics and Business Research said the single currency "may not even survive the next week", while David Blanchflower, professor at Dartmouth College and former Bank of England policymaker, added: "The political implications [of euro disintegration] are likely to be far-reaching – Germans are opposed to paying for others and may well quit."

    Four of the economists said that despite the wider suspicion that Greece or some of the weaker economies may be forced out of the currency, the most likely country to leave would be Germany.

    Peter Warburton of consultancy Economic Perspectives said: "Possibly Germany will leave. Possibly other central and eastern European countries – plus Denmark – will have joined. Possibly, there will be a multi-tier membership of the EU and a mechanism for entering and leaving the single currency. I think the project will survive, but not in its current form."

    Tim Congdon of International Monetary Research said: "The eurozone will lose three or four members e_SEnDGreece, Portugal, maybe Ireland e_SEnD and could break up altogether because of the growing friction between France and Germany."

    The recent worries about the euro's fate followed the creation last month of a $1 trillion (£691bn) bail-out fund to prevent future collapses. Although the fund boosted confidence initially, investors abandoned the euro after politicians showed reluctance to support it wholeheartedly.

    05 Jun 2010

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...ive-years.html



    The most radical comment is;
    Andrew Lilico, chief economist at think tank Policy Exchange, expects some kind of revolution or coup in Greece over the next 5 years after it`s certain bankruptcy because of high debt value!!!
  • makedonche
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 3242

    #2
    Aaaagh........... the Greeks, living proof that lying and stealing will only ever get you so far!
    On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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    • Makedonetz
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 1080

      #3
      Very true Makedonche this is going to bite greece in the @ss
      Makedoncite se borat
      za svoite pravdini!

      "The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria,Greece or Serbia can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek or Serb, but not a good Macedonian"
      - Goce Delchev

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      • sf.
        Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 387

        #4
        The euro will have broken up before the end of this Parliamentary term, according to the bulk of economists taking part in a wide-ranging economic survey for The Sunday Telegraph.
        Based on the figures presented in that article, this is an innacurate statement. Less than half of those surveyed, believe in the Euro's demise. Additionally, this is a British perspective.
        Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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        • fyrOM
          Banned
          • Feb 2010
          • 2180

          #5
          any bad news for greece has one answer not enough. but i think many greeks have pulled there money out early and wont care while others will suffer.

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          • makedonche
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 3242

            #6
            Originally posted by OziMak View Post
            any bad news for greece has one answer not enough. but i think many greeks have pulled there money out early and wont care while others will suffer.
            OziMak
            So true! ...I'm guessing the wealthy Greeks knew what was coming and bailed out long before it became public knowledge, you are right they won't care about the average person and just leave them to suffer.
            On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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            • Onur
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 2389

              #7
              Originally posted by sf. View Post
              Additionally, this is a British perspective.

              Now Spanish commission President Jose Manuel Barroso basically gives same warning as the Brits but he adds Spain and Portugal too.

              Here it is;



              Nightmare vision for Europe as EU chief warns 'democracy could disappear' in Greece, Spain and Portugal

              * EU begin emergency billion-pound bailout of Spain
              * Countries in debt may fall to dictators, EC chief warns
              * Apocalyptic' vision as some states run out of money


              Democracy could ‘collapse’ in Greece, Spain and Portugal unless urgent action is taken to tackle the debt crisis, the head of the European Commission has warned.

              In an extraordinary briefing to trade union chiefs last week, Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso set out an ‘apocalyptic’ vision in which crisis-hit countries in southern Europe could fall victim to military coups or popular uprisings as interest rates soar and public services collapse because their governments run out of money.

              The stark warning came as it emerged that EU chiefs have begun work on an emergency bailout package for Spain which is likely to run into hundreds of billions of pounds.

              A £650 billion bailout for Greece has already been agreed.

              John Monks, former head of the TUC, said he had been ‘shocked’ by the severity of the warning from Mr Barroso, who is a former prime minister of Portugal. Mr Monks, now head of the European TUC, said: ‘I had a discussion with Barroso last Friday about what can be done for Greece, Spain, Portugal and the rest and his message was blunt: “Look, if they do not carry out these austerity packages, these countries could virtually disappear in the way that we know them as democracies. They've got no choice, this is it.” ‘He's very, very worried. He shocked us with an apocalyptic vision of democracies in Europe collapsing because of the state of indebtedness.’

              Greece, Spain and Portugal, which only became democracies in the 1970s, are all facing dire problems with their public finances. All three countries have a history of military coups. Greece has been rocked by a series of national strikes and riots this year following the announcement of swingeing cuts to public spending designed to curb Britain’s deficit. Spain and Portugal have also announced austerity measures in recent weeks amid growing signs that the international markets are increasingly worried they could default on their debts.

              Other EU countries seeing public protests over austerity plans include Hungary, Italy and Romania, where public sector pay is to be slashed by 25 per cent.

              Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, who visited Madrid last week, said the situation in Spain should serve as a warning to Britain of the perils of failing to tackle the deficit quickly.

              He said the collapse of confidence in Spain had seen interest rates soar, adding: ‘As the nation with the highest deficit in Europe in 2010, we simply cannot afford to let that happen to us too.’

              Mr Barroso’s warning lays bare the concern at the highest level in Brussels that the economic crisis could lead to the collapse of not only the beleaguered euro, but the EU itself, along with a string of fragile democracies.


              Mr Monks yesterday warned that the new austerity measures themselves could take the continent ‘back to the 1930s’.

              In an interview with the Brussels-based magazine EU Observer he said: ‘This is extremely dangerous. 'This is 1931, we're heading back to the 1930s, with the Great Depression and we ended up with militarist dictatorship. ‘I'm not saying we're there yet, but it's potentially very serious, not just economically, but politically as well.

              Mr Monks said union barons across Europe were planning a co-ordinated ‘day of action’ against the cuts on 29 September, involving national strikes and protests.

              David Cameron will travel to Brussels on Thursday for his first summit of EU leaders since the election. Leaders are expected to thrash out a rescue package for Spain’s teetering economy. Spain is expected to ask for an initial guarantee of at least £100 billion, although this figure could rise sharply if the crisis deepens.

              Germany’s authoritative Frankfurter Allgemeine Newspaper reported that Spain is poised to ask for multi-billion pound credits. Mr Barroso and Jean-Claude Trichet of the European Central Bank are united on the need for a rescue plan.

              The looming bankruptcy of Spain, one of the foremost economies in Europe, poses far more of a threat to European unity and the euro project than Greece. Greece contributes 2.5 percent of GDP to Europe, Spain nearly 12 percent.

              Yesterday’s report quoted German government sources saying: ‘We will lead discussions this week in Brussels concerning the crisis. It has intensified to the point that the states do not want to wait until the EU summit on Thursday in Brussels.”’

              At the end of last month the credit rating agency Fitch downgraded Spain, triggering sharp falls on stock markets.

              On Friday the administration in Madrid continued to insist no rescue package was necessary. But Greece said the same thing before it came close to disaster.


              In an extraordinary briefing to trade union chiefs last week, Jose Manuel Barroso set out an ‘apocalyptic’ vision in which crisis-hit countries in southern Europe could fall victim to military coups or popular uprisings.
              Last edited by Onur; 06-15-2010, 06:27 AM.

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              • fyrOM
                Banned
                • Feb 2010
                • 2180

                #8
                Belgium is almost split. So much for eu policy of ethnic integration. The head of the eu could be going down.

                Belgium is entitled to a last chance

                Победата на фламанските националисти на вчерашните парламентарни избори во Белгија претставува повик за промени, оценуваат во денешните изданија белгиските весници запрашувајќи се дали партиите на холандските Фламанци и


                Brussels, June 14, 2010 (Reuters) - Flemish nationalists win in yesterday's parliamentary elections in Belgium is calling for change, assessing the issues in today's Belgian newspapers zaprashuvajkji whether the parties are of Dutch and Flemish Walloons frankofonskite will ultimately fail to reach compromise on preserving the unity the country.

                The newspaper "Soare" estimates that "the fate of Belgium is in the hands of the winner of yesterday's elections Bart de Vever, leader of the separatist New Flemish Alliance (NVA) and Elio Di Rupo, the head of the Francophone Socialist Party, which won most votes in Wallonia .

                The success of De Viverridae is historical, but Flemish is not obliged, at least not immediately, to declare the independence of Flanders. Voters still clearly and strongly indicated that they want reform of the country and greater autonomy for the regions, according to the newspaper.

                "Standard" points out that De Di Rupo Vever and "hold the keys to the house Belgium. - If they both agree to fulfill their dreams to provide a significant place in history textbooks of Belgium, because the agreed broad compromise, the paper concludes.

                Economic Journal Tijd "expressed skepticism about the possibility of a coalition between the Flemish nationalists and socialists valonskite, judging that they" have little znaednichko.

                Daily Belzhik Libre "is to make zaprashuva De Vever won and will be able to make concessions, while the leftist newspaper Morgen" believes he has a choice to either deal with valonskite Socialists for Reform or Belgium to implement strategy demolition and blocking.

                "Dernier Jor" believes francophone Walloons should stop closing our eyes to the strong nationalist aspirations of the Flemish and give an appropriate response.

                Liberal Journal News Latste "estimated that the election results are" a clear signal from the Flemish Valoncite. - All parties should understand that they still have a chance to stop yelling "no" to stop isolation, to sit at the table and talk as adults, the paper concludes.

                The final results of yesterday's elections, won 17.40 percent NVA cent before valonskata Socialist Party (PS) with 13.70 and the Flemish Christian Democrats party and Flemish (CDV) with 10.85 per cent.

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                • Onur
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 2389

                  #9
                  I have to admit, things becoming a bit scary.

                  Especially, i don't wanna see a military coup d`etat in Greece because you know how fascist they are. Analysts says that Greece will start repays of their debt after 18 months and they expect that Greece wont be able to do that.

                  If fascists becomes ruling dictators in there, things can go very ugly with Turkey. Turkey cannot accept second fascist intervention in Cyprus after 30 years, so this time the payback can be very disastrous for them.
                  Last edited by Onur; 06-15-2010, 12:24 PM.

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                  • Rogi
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 2343

                    #10
                    I wouldn't put it past Greece to manufacture some foreign conflict. Greece looks like it needs to justify some sort of 'War Tax' in order to repay its' debts.

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                    • sf.
                      Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 387

                      #11
                      Originally posted by sf. View Post
                      Based on the figures presented in that article, this is an innacurate statement. Less than half of those surveyed, believe in the Euro's demise. Additionally, this is a British perspective.
                      Originally posted by Onur View Post
                      Now Spanish commission President Jose Manuel Barroso basically gives same warning as the Brits but he adds Spain and Portugal too.

                      Here it is;



                      Nightmare vision for Europe as EU chief warns 'democracy could disappear' in Greece, Spain and Portugal

                      * EU begin emergency billion-pound bailout of Spain
                      * Countries in debt may fall to dictators, EC chief warns
                      * Apocalyptic' vision as some states run out of money


                      Democracy could ‘collapse’ in Greece, Spain and Portugal unless urgent action is taken to tackle the debt crisis, the head of the European Commission has warned.

                      In an extraordinary briefing to trade union chiefs last week, Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso set out an ‘apocalyptic’ vision in which crisis-hit countries in southern Europe could fall victim to military coups or popular uprisings as interest rates soar and public services collapse because their governments run out of money.

                      The stark warning came as it emerged that EU chiefs have begun work on an emergency bailout package for Spain which is likely to run into hundreds of billions of pounds.

                      A £650 billion bailout for Greece has already been agreed.

                      John Monks, former head of the TUC, said he had been ‘shocked’ by the severity of the warning from Mr Barroso, who is a former prime minister of Portugal. Mr Monks, now head of the European TUC, said: ‘I had a discussion with Barroso last Friday about what can be done for Greece, Spain, Portugal and the rest and his message was blunt: “Look, if they do not carry out these austerity packages, these countries could virtually disappear in the way that we know them as democracies. They've got no choice, this is it.” ‘He's very, very worried. He shocked us with an apocalyptic vision of democracies in Europe collapsing because of the state of indebtedness.’
                      Nothing has changed with this additional information that you have posted. From the original article, less than half the respondents believe that the Euro will dissapear. It is not a warning but a prediction of what they believe would occur. Politically it suits them to promote this line of thought. This is from a people that don't have as much vested interests in the Euro's survival.

                      Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso's statement is also political, set to ensure support for the failing economies (which not suprisingly includes Spain). His warnings are about the stability of nations if their economies aren't saved, not that the Euro will fall.
                      Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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                      • Makedonetz
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 1080

                        #13
                        Hopefully this message is clear for gruevski to not discuss anymore about the EU if its getting this bad. Too bad politics is all about making decisions that only reflects what they have "done" to add to their portfolio of "To Do List"

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                        - Goce Delchev

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                        • Onur
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 2389

                          #14
                          YouTube - Nigel Farage: Euro Empire Collapsing, Bailout River Dry

                          This is from December 2010 and they are talking about Portugal's possible demand of bailout. As you know, this happened already.

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                          • Belomorec
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 17

                            #15
                            Originally posted by Rogi View Post
                            I wouldn't put it past Greece to manufacture some foreign conflict. Greece looks like it needs to justify some sort of 'War Tax' in order to repay its' debts.
                            I was just thinking that.

                            Who, do you think, they would be powerful enough to invade though?

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