Being Macedonian- Guardian UK

[ZAS]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/15/madedonia-being-macedonian

Interesting what the Brittish wrote about us till the CIGANI took over,

[Risto the Great]

Agreed 100% ZAS.
The Greeks are ridiculous in their beliefs.

[Bij]

Such hypocrites... I wonder if they realise how ridiculous they sound.

[Phoenix]

I don't like the article...and I think the author is an idiot.

The Macedonian people haven't 'evolved' less credibly than anyone else in the Balkans and yet some authors feel compelled to 'prove' our journey but who are they trying to convince...all of this is aimed at 4 modern groups, the very 4 who picked at the Macedonian carcass and continue to bay for our blood.

The Macedonian people are what they are based on exactly the same intangibles that determine self consciousness, the same as every other man that has walked on this Earth...

[Simply Macedonian]

There are many inaccuracies in the article. Macedonians do have ties to ancient Macedonians, unlike what this author has written. Wishy washy stuff that is so typical of Macedonian "journalism". We don't have enough pride in our heritage. And it shows in articles like this. Let's be the nice guys to appease the "Greeks" and the "west". Give me a break. Enough with wishy washy garbage. We don't need to appease anyone.

[fyrOM]

This apologetic dribble sounds like arguing the case we feel Macedonian therefore we are exactly like the Greeks do at times but they also make more substantial claims and hence there overall case sounds more believable to people unrelated to this issue. I am not saying the Greek claims are valid only that to the rest of the world sees things in simple terms. If you are not going to claim connection to the ancient Macedonians then it sounds like you are admitting you are the new comers even if new is supposedly around 800ad.

Many times in the past on the net I have encountered Greeks citing the text of the scribes who travelled with Alexander as proof he was Greek and hence the Macedonians with him. Has any Macedonian studied the original text and not some translated version or have they been able to verify the validity of the translations. As you would already know phrasing something even slightly differently can alter the meaning significantly.

[Rogi]

What a stupid article.

It falls right into the Greek notion that Tito created the Macedonian identity, while also subtly calling the Macedonians 'slavs'.

One of the worst I have ever read. Absolutely disgusting.

If you want to bring issues away from historical debate and into the realm of Law and Human Rights, you do not do so by simultaneously negating the Macedonian identity and the basis for the Macedonian identity.

What is the point and purpose of the article?

[Bratot]

The boy just wanted to be another attention whore.." hey! look at me I am so fuckin liberal.. I don't have to be Macedonian to call myself a Macedonian" oohh yeaa you blew it moron!

[Risto the Great]

To be honest, I only really looked at the comments underneath the text.

The following statement says it all:

I have had conversations with Greek and Bulgarian people along the lines of "why do you deny you're Greek/Bulgarian?" I can't remember what my reply was, probably something uninspiring like "erm … not sure?"

Unfortunately, this is why Macedonians need to remain militant in their knowledge of themselves. Anything less will be seized upon by our detractors.

[Big Bad Sven]

There are many inaccuracies in the article. Macedonians do have ties to ancient Macedonians, unlike what this author has written. Wishy washy stuff that is so typical of Macedonian "journalism". We don't have enough pride in our heritage. And it shows in articles like this. Let's be the nice guys to appease the "Greeks" and the "west". Give me a break. Enough with wishy washy garbage. We don't need to appease anyone.

So true.

Im sick of all of these gutless articles and news reports that are coming out of the republic lately.

Why do we have to put a "liberal" spin on who we are? Just to please our racist neighbours and score browny points with the EU? We Macedonians already know who we are.

We should be proud of what our ancestors have achieved and use it as inspiration to propel us into the future.

It seems like ever since we renamed the airport to "alexander the great" and then having the EU and their little bitches the "greeks" kick up a fuss, our media has been in this "liberal" mode. If they don’t like who we are then we should ignore them.

[Bratot]

So true.

Im sick of all of these gutless articles and news reports that are coming out of the republic lately.

The guy is living in London and he's not a journalist.

He thinks he is the last liberal samurai who will gain the liking of the open minded British society to give him it's undivided attention.

I would just characterize this as isolated act of stupidity and I hope the author will realize one sunny day that his bravely liberal view is not meeting the current historical postulate that in order to be something you simply have to inherit it, not just claim it.

In some cultures there is a name for it - they call it patrimony!

[ZAS]

The guy is living in London and he's not a journalist.

He thinks he is the last liberal samurai who will gain the liking of the open minded British society to give him it's undivided attention.

I would just characterize this as isolated act of stupidity and I hope the author will realize one sunny day that his bravely liberal view is not meeting the current historical postulate that in order to be something you simply have to inherit it, not just claim it.

In some cultures there is a name for it - they call it patrimony!

The thread is not about the FOOL who wrote the article, it is about the posts the British public has written about us, it was very interesting, a vie have sidetracked another thread.
Listen RTG try to stop some of these hijackers from always derailing threads, no wonder people express themselves in NASTY ways,

[Phoenix]

The thread is not about the FOOL who wrote the article, it is about the posts the British public has written about us, it was very interesting, a vie have sidetracked another thread.
Listen RTG try to stop some of these hijackers from always derailing threads, no wonder people express themselves in NASTY ways,

Perhaps you should have just posted the comments if you didn't want anybody posting about the FOOL who wrote it...

[Bratot]

I read the comments but I'm not sure what you suggest we do now?

The Greek hijackers are not interested in commenting the text itself, although it's matching their propaganda interest.
Their intention was and still is to push some discontinuity and the fool author just resemble them.


There is something more important than the opinion of the outsiders regarding Macedonian identity, and that is OUR opinion on ourselfs and our history.

If we are contradictory and negatory about it than everything else is less important.

[Phoenix]

I read the comments but I'm not sure what you suggest we do now?

The Greek hijackers are not interested in commenting the text itself, although it's matching their propaganda interest.
Their intention was and still is to push some discontinuity and the fool author just resemble them.


There is something more important than the opinion of the outsiders regarding Macedonian identity, and that is OUR opinion on ourselfs and our history.

If we are contradictory and negatory about it than everything else is less important.

Well said Bratot...