The Greek "province" of Macedonia, fact or fiction?

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  • Daskalot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 4345

    The Greek "province" of Macedonia, fact or fiction?

    I have for several years seen the term "province" used in regards to the part of Macedonia that was annexed by Greece in 1913 by Western media. There is no province of Macedonia in Greece but rather three PERIPHERIES which utilises the name of Macedonia with a geographical connector to it. The "province" of Macedonia in Greece is nothing more than fiction.
    Macedonian Truth Organisation
  • Risto the Great
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 15658

    #2
    Greece and fiction seem to go hand in hand.
    Risto the Great
    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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    • Bratot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 2855

      #3
      Of course it's a fact of fiction

      Greek government agrees there is no “Province of Macedonia” in Greece!



      The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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      • Alpha
        Banned
        • Jan 2010
        • 75

        #4
        when will you ppl learn this has got to do with a lot more than trivial semantics
        Province, Perfecture, District...it doesnt really matter.

        The monopolization of the term Macedonia is the problem. Once that is solved so will everything else.

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        • Daskalot
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 4345

          #5
          Originally posted by Alpha View Post
          when will you ppl learn this has got to do with a lot more than trivial semantics
          Province, Perfecture, District...it doesnt really matter.

          The monopolization of the term Macedonia is the problem. Once that is solved so will everything else.
          And this comes from a Greek that has put a monopoly on everything and everyone in Greece as Greeks from pre-ancient times until today. You even claim that anyone inhabiting northern Greece as a Macedonian and that there is a Macedonian dialect of modern Greek. So please do not talk about a monopoly.
          Macedonian Truth Organisation

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          • Alpha
            Banned
            • Jan 2010
            • 75

            #6
            Im just stating the obvious problem regarding the name issue.
            It has nothing to do with semantics and everything to do with substance.

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            • Risto the Great
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 15658

              #7
              Ho hum, same silly arguments. When Greece renames itself as Macedonia we have a problem.
              Risto the Great
              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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              • Alpha
                Banned
                • Jan 2010
                • 75

                #8
                I know its silly, but its the balkans afterall.
                The powderkeg of europe if you know what I mean.
                We tend to blow things out of proportion many times...no pun intended.

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                • Daskalot
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 4345

                  #9
                  Even the EU agrees, there is no "province" of Macedonia in Greece. So why does Greece continue to lie about this and why does the Western media keep on claiming a lie as a fact?

                  See here:


                  The Republic of Greece, is not divided into Provinces but rather into Peripheries.

                  There are 13 Peripheries in Greece which of three holds the name of Macedonia with a geographical definer connected to it.

                  They are;

                  1. Dytiki Makedonia (West Macedonia)
                  2. Kentriki Makedonia (Central Macedonia)
                  3. Anatoliki Makedonia kai Thraki (East Macedonia and Thrace)

                  As we can see all of the names have a geographical definer and one of them is a complex name with the inclusion of Thrace in it.

                  Dytiki Makedonia (West Macedonia)


                  Kentriki Makedonia (Central Macedonia)


                  Anatoliki Makedonia kai Thraki (East Macedonia and Thrace)


                  A map showing all Periperies in the Republic of Greece


                  All these maps are found on the Official EU website,
                  http://europa.eu/index_en.htm,
                  direct link to Greece;
                  Find out more about EU countries: their government and society, use of the euro, membership of border-free travel area.
                  Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                  • Daskalot
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 4345

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bratot View Post
                    Of course it's a fact of fiction

                    Greek government agrees there is no “Province of Macedonia” in Greece!

                    Thank you Bratot, I will post the complete article here for everyones viewing pleasure.



                    CLICK THE PICTURE TO VIEW IT IN A LARGER VERSION


                    1. Eastern Macedonia & Thrace


                    2. Central Macedonia


                    3. Western Macedonia


                    Administration of the Country

                    Greece is divided into 13 administrative divisions, named "Peripheries" (Districts).
                    The next level of administrative division is the "Nomos" (Prefecture). In total there are 51 Nomi, and one self-governed territorial division (Agion Oros, on Mount Athos).
                    Local Communities are named either "Dimos" (City) or "Kinotita" (Community). In total there are 900 Dimi and 133 Kinotites.

                    Source: http://www.gnto.gr/pages.php?pageID=26&langID=2
                    Please note that this is official information from the Hellenic Republic - Ministry of Tourism - Greek National Tourism Organisation.

                    When will the Greeks wake up from their mythical dream? There is NO PROVINCE OF MACEDONIA IN GREECE even your government recognizes this. THIS IS A FACT!

                    All names are complex names with an GEOGRAPHICAL definer connected to it, thus there is no possibility to mistake these Peripheries in Greece with the Republic of Macedonia.
                    Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                    • Daskalot
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 4345

                      #11
                      I wonder why the government of the Republic of Macedonia has not mentioned this in the name negotiations, if they would I think the most ardent negotiator would have to end the negotiations in the Republics favor.
                      Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                      • Risto the Great
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15658

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
                        I wonder why the government of the Republic of Macedonia has not mentioned this in the name negotiations, if they would I think the most ardent negotiator would have to end the negotiations in the Republics favor.
                        Daskalot, you make a very clear point. Whilst I believe negotiations are ridiculous, your point is clear about a very realistic argument in favour of Macedonia. Macedonia should deny Greece even using the term "Macedonia" even in composite names for its peripheries. Yet negotiations still purportedly continue. I am not sure who the Macedonians are trying to please.
                        Risto the Great
                        MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                        "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                        Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                        • indigen
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 1558

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
                          I have for several years seen the term "province" used in regards to the part of Macedonia that was annexed by Greece in 1913 by Western media. There is no province of Macedonia in Greece but rather three PERIPHERIES which utilises the name of Macedonia with a geographical connector to it. The "province" of Macedonia in Greece is nothing more than fiction.
                          I have also felt the same on this issue and it bugs me when, apart from Mk Gov and media, even Todor Petrov keeps referring to the "istoimenovata provincija" on aregular basis. Thus I believe this topic should be a candidate for a "sticky" status.

                          The following is some more info on the subject:

                          The regions, are the traditional (and official until the 1987 administrative reform[1]) subnational divisions of Greece. The regions are still widely referred to in non-official contexts and in daily discourse. There are 10 regions[2] (seven on the mainland and three island groups), which are further subdivided into 54 prefectures.
                          Answers is the place to go to get the answers you need and to ask the questions you want

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                          • Daskalot
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 4345

                            #14
                            Originally posted by indigen View Post
                            I have also felt the same on this issue and it bugs me when, apart from Mk Gov and media, even Todor Petrov keeps referring to the "istoimenovata provincija" on aregular basis. Thus I believe this topic should be a candidate for a "sticky" status.

                            The following is some more info on the subject:


                            http://www.answers.com/topic/regions-of-greece
                            Indigen, the regions of Greece are not its administrative form thus of no great importance. What counts is the Peripheries, they are the administrative units of the Hellenic Republic.

                            To be noted:
                            The regions are still widely referred to in non-official contexts and in daily discourse.
                            Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                            • Napoleon
                              Junior Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 98

                              #15
                              Province or not...

                              It also has to be remembered that prior to the renaming by the Greek government in 1988, there was NO such region called 'Macedonia' in Greece whatsoever...the administrative area was officially called 'Northern Greece'.

                              The Greek government only started using the name 'Macedonia' officially when they recognized the future inevitability of the breakup of the old Yugoslavia in the late 1980's, which they feared would result in an independant Macedonian state. This just goes to show that the whole name issue was artificially created by Greece in order to counter international recognition of an independant Macedonian state.

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