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The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:07 AM
I thought I'd start a thread on the SHARPLANINEC Dog..
There has been a lot of interest about this beautiful breed the SHARPLANINEC and I think we should learn more about it and the History of this Macedonian Sheppard..
Why I say Macedonian SHARPLANINEC is because like anything that has Macedonian is controversial with our Neighbours..and the origin of the breed remains controversial

The Albanians call it ILLYRIAN SHEPHERD and like to claim the SHARPLANINEC as theirs , the Serbs call it Yugoslavian Sheppard
Even the Greeks think it's a Greek dog, (which is funny in so many ways)..
http://www.dogcentral.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sarplaninac.jpg

I would like people's opinions, and any information they have on this Dog , including any experience with this breed
Mind you I am no expert and never owned a Sarplaninec so I would like to know more about them..

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:09 AM
SHARPLANINEC, the Macedonian Shepherd Dog
The Sharplaninec (pronounced shar-pla-nee-netz) is an ancient livestock guarding breed from the mountain region of Macedonia,Shar Planina. The Macedonian Shepherd Dog Sharplanina, is named after the Shar Planina mountain range where the breed is most common. The Sharplaninec was recognized by the United Kennel Club on January 1, 1995.
http://www.mymacedonia.net/links/sharplaninec.htm
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/sireta/t/20090918115612.jpghttp://www.sharplaninec.com/photos/ArxWM.jpg

the Sharplaninec was officially registered in 1939 under the incorrect and in retrospect very misleading name “Ilirski Ovcar” (Illyrian Sheepdog). Beginning in 1947, they were systematically bred in professional breeding farms such as the Cattlebreeding Cooperative in the village of Gari on Stogovo mountain. After World War II, these phenomenal dogs eventually sparked the interest of the Yugoslav Army, which even promoted them as national icons. The renowned military kennel “Marshal Josip Broz Tito” methodically bred and utilized them as very capable service dogs.
In 1995, the United Kennel Club officially recognized the Sharplaninec as a pure breed in the United States. In 1996, the FCI breed standard was changed once again to include a slight name change, mainly to pay tribute to the breeds Macedonian origin. Today the breed is rightfully known as Macedonian-Yugoslav Shepherd dog – Sharplaninec.

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:13 AM
Sharplaninec
The Sharplaninec is an autochthonous dog breed of Macedonia. These rustic sheep dogs are really phenomenal and unique in that they are genetically predestined to assume a life as dependable guards without any specific protection training of some sort. Their loyalty to their master is simply unparalleled in the canine world. Furthermore, their physical strength and mental determination are truly awesome.

This breed is what cynologists today consider “self-evolved”, almost circumstantial as a tribute to the rough Balkan terrain and the hard life as a livestock guardian over many generations. In the beginning, it was merely natural selection, which favored big dogs that were powerful enough to stand their ground when confronted by predators such as wolves or bears. At the same time, these dogs were required to cover huge areas of mountainous pastures as they accompanied their sheep flocks in the transhumance of a predominantly semi-nomadic lifestyle. In the old times, shepherds would keep only those dogs that could sustain such harsh conditions. Negligence of those responsibilities or the abandonment of their assigned flock at any time would be an unforgivable recklessness. Only strong and reliable dogs were allowed to live and procreate. While their job demanded extraordinary physical and mental strength, food for these dogs was usually very scarce as the socio-economic situation of their human owners was usually rather impoverished. This combination of tremendous selective pressures yielded extraordinarily healthy dogs of exceptional loyalty to their family, incredibly powerful and yet very modest and rustic in nature.

Phenotype
Sharplaninci come in a considerable variety concerning size, color and to a limited degree even shape. Colors can vary drastically from completely white to entirely black, with all shades of gray or fawn. This is mostly due to the fact that shepherds in the past exclusively looked for performance. The dog's color was of very little significance as long as the dog did what it was supposed to. Even though certain colors, such as completely black or brindle, are disqualified from dog show competitions, it doesn't mean that these dogs don't exist. Sharplaninec dogs of today are for the most part iron-gray (called murdz type). This is mainly rooted in the fact that from 1939 on, when the breed was officially registered, the favored color for the breed officials was iron-gray. In the Macedonian mountains however, the predominant phenotype has been uniformly fawn with a black muzzle or head (called karabash type). In the south-western region of Macedonia, many pure white specimens could be observed as well.

Even though these magnificent livestock guardian dogs are found in all parts of the region, they can be differentiated into local subtypes. These regional strains initially resulted from long standing isolation of small rural villages, which in turn led to separated selection and breeding of their existing working dogs. Early on, these subtypes were recognizable by clear differences in phenotype and perhaps even some slight personality distinctions. However, with the formation of the official breed and subsequent standardization, these regional subtypes were eventually merged into one. The modern Sharplaninec breed consequently represents an amalgamation of those primary pockets of isolated genepools - nonetheless, the Sharplaninec is true in its physique and soul.
http://www.sharplaninec.com/sharplaninec.htm

http://www.sharplaninec.com/pics/SarKaradzica01.jpg

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:16 AM
The History of the Sharplaninec
The mighty Sharplaninec is a breed of true antiquity and probably the oldest genuine molosser in the world. Modern scientists agree today that these legendary guarding dogs are indigenous to the territory of Macedonia and Southern Serbia, specifically the Sar mountain range in natural southward extension into Mavrovo and the northern Pindus mountains. Dogs of this general phenotype have existed in the region since the Neolithic, when first agricultural civilizations discovered sheep farming and established lifestyles of fixed transhumance with an implicit need for big and courageous guarding dogs. This created a new selective regime on domesticated village dogs, yielding a fundamentally distinctive gestalt that remained nearly unchanged in the Sharplaninec ever since. By the time of the bronze age and explicitly during the era of Alexander the Great, the revered sheep guarding dogs of this region have been noted for their unsurpassed loyalty and bravery. Aristotle writes in “History of Animals”, Book IX, 350BC, “Of the Molossian breed of dogs, such as are employed in the chase are pretty much the same as those elsewhere; but sheep-dogs of this breed are superior to the others in size, and in the courage with which they face the attacks of wild animals”. Indeed, the molossers of the Balkan peninsula quickly acquired an outstanding reputation as being such extraordinary canines that by the time of the Roman Empire, these massive gladiator dogs of the amphitheaters were consistently referred to as Molossians. Ultimately, their esteemed status further accelerated their spread throughout the known world, where they have undoubtedly influenced many of the native dog types. While many of those relocated dogs subsequently underwent substantial permutations, the sheep dogs of the original mountain ranges maintained true to the steadiness of their respective local ecosystem. Well into medieval times, the Sharplaninec is said to have been repeatedly exposed to wolf blood. This was primarily carried out to maintain that certain untamed core of these dogs, but also to improve the breed's overall health. Residual manifestations of such recurrent hybridizations with East-European wolves are for example the unusually large teeth of Sharplaninec dogs, which set them apart from most other dogs, as well as late maturity and periodically prolonged heat cycles in female Shars that can last 9 to 12 months.
http://www.sharplaninec.com/pics/neolithicSar.jpg

During the 500 years of Ottoman oppression, the turks likely brought their own dogs with them, which occasionally interbred with the local breeds, but more often than not forced the villagers to keep their own working livestock guardian dogs in strict isolation within the respective boundaries of their Christian villages. This segregation along ethnic lines in turn resulted in the strict breeding separations with dogs of varying phenotype. In the early 1900s, the ruling Serbian army decided to recruit these ferocious sheep guardian dogs from the Macedonian mountains and employ them as reliable guards and war dogs for the military. Once again, these dogs were revered for their bravery and strength. In 1931, a Slovenian cynologist and dog enthusiast named Franjo Bulc selected several specimens from Macedonia, which he at the time considered to be exemplary specimens, and brought them to Ljubljana. Originally, these giant dogs from Macedonia were mainly intended to improve the diminishing numbers of the smaller Slovenian Kraski Ovcar, as they were initially falsely considered to be of the same breed. Together with the Krasevac, the Sharplaninec was officially registered in 1939 under the incorrect and in retrospect very misleading name “Ilirski Ovcar” (Illyrian Sheepdog). Beginning in 1947, they were systematically bred in professional breeding farms such as the Cattlebreeding Cooperative in the village of Gari on Stogovo mountain. After World War II, these phenomenal dogs eventually sparked the interest of the Yugoslav Army, which even promoted them as national icons. The renowned military kennel “Marshal Josip Broz Tito” methodically bred and utilized them as very capable service dogs. The Sharplaninec dogs were in fact of such importance that until 1970 it was absolutely illegal to export these dogs out of the country. It wasn't before 1975, when the first Sharplaninec puppy was brought down from the mountains on a donkey's back to be exported to the United States. In 1995, the United Kennel Club officially recognized the Sharplaninec as a pure breed in the United States. In 1996, the FCI breed standard was changed once again to include a slight name change, mainly to pay tribute to the breeds Macedonian origin. Today the breed is rightfully known as Macedonian-Yugoslav Shepherd dog – Sharplaninec.
http://www.sharplaninec.com/history.htm

http://www.sharplaninec.com/pics/sharpl.jpg

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:18 AM
The History of the Sharplaninec -Neolithic Era
Even though the Sharplaninec was officially recognized as a pure breed as early as 1939, the history didn't quite begin there. One has to ask, where these first registered sheep dogs themselves really came from? In order to answer that question and to look at the entire history of the Sharplaninec, we have to go further back in time - a lot further back actually. The history of the Sharplaninec is really intertwined with the history of early mankind.
http://www.sharplaninec.com/pics/neolithfig.jpg

Development of the Proto-Molossers

Modern scientists agree today that the sheep guarding dogs of Macedonia most likely are fundamentally autochthonous to that very region. Thanks to a plethora of archeological discoveries, it could be well established that this part of the world has been inhabited by one of the oldest civilizations of mankind. The Vinca culture (6000 BC – 3000 BC), which stretched over the territories of Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria and Romania (and even small parts of Asia Minor), is considered to represent a most advanced agricultural civilization of the Neolithic era. Deep archeological excavation levels of the oldest Vinca settlements reveal both, a life of hunting and fishing as well as agriculture and breeding of domestic animals. It is this intermediary culture that is of the greatest interest – in so many ways. It is also worth mentioning that these first European settlements even precede the cities of Mesopotamia and Egypt. The cradle of humanity lies not necessarily in movements of nomadic populations (as so many believe) but rather in the emergence of such archaic civilizations as can be found in the Balkans and Mesopotamia. With the emergence of agriculture, the selective regime for dogs has changed forever - it was the birth of the working dog.

The further back we go in time, the harder obviously it is to establish concrete evidence of those early cultures or their achievements. From an archeological standpoint, it is therefore extraordinarily fortunate that the remains of the Vinca civilization could be found in sizable amounts since their huts were mostly built of wood, which in turn was covered with mud. Nevertheless, their great agricultural skills are reflected in many remnants of cultivated grains, sophisticated tools as well as craftsmanship of artistic artifacts as testimony of their ability (and eagerness) to modify their living environment and livestock in an attempt to better control their physical world. It is very important in this context to point out that the transition from nomadic hunter-gatherer societies to agricultural civilizations is said to have created a new paradigm for the role of “domesticated” dogs as well. Settlers started to utilize their dogs beyond companions at the hunt as actual farm workers, which consequently changed the requirements for their physique and behavior. Village dogs per se have been around much longer than that, as excavations around the world have unearthed dog remains in Germany (12000BC), Israel (11500BC) and even in America (8500BC). Sheep, pigs and cattle came much later, but once they were farmed in sizable numbers, dogs needed to adapt and assume novel tasks to remain useful to humans. They evolved into the new niche and the respective ecosystem.

When we look at the terrain of the south-eastern Balkan peninsula, one will predominantly find mountainous terrain, reasonably forested and occasionally interrupted by a stretch of moderately leveled fields; all of it surrounded by the Adriatic and Aegean Sea. In short, rough but bountiful conditions with regard to the abundance of food and resources. Ideal conditions for early human settlements, one could say. Even better conditions for the development of extraordinary dogs. People could actually afford to remain more or less in the same location and live of the adjacent land, much unlike nomadic people elsewhere, who were still forced to cover huge areas of steppes in order to find food for themselves or their livestock. The settled livestock farmers would only move their animals vertically into higher pastures in summer and lowlands in winter; they still continued to live in their settlements. This form of fixed transhumance is still practiced today in Macedonia. The key difference to a nomadic lifestyle is the lack of extensive migration, with its severe consequences on livestock and moreover on dogs. Inhabitants of early settlements could actually afford to spend a portion of their energy on improving their "food resources" or "tools" for the future. They could learn from each other, what it takes to produce better offspring etc. Such a setting was crucial in the endeavor to modify dogs for their newly identified role. Genetically speaking, it is very difficult (if not impossible) to establish a particular dog type in an environment of constant fluctuation of the genepool. Particularly for dogs in a nomadic setting. Semi-isolated Neolithic civilizations on the other hand were likely much more capable of breeding and improving their domesticated animals in a controlled fashion. Furthermore, once settled they would have an increased interest in doing so, as they couldn’t just leave and move on when food ran out. Locking-in the genepool was imperative for such undertakings. The aforementioned fixed transhumance in combination with a profuse abundance of large predators in the region eventually yielded large and powerful dogs. These were the proto-molossers that would ultimately influence the entire world of canines.

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:24 AM
SHARPLANINEC, the Macedonian Shepherd Dog
http://www.mymacedonia.net/links/sharplaninec.htm

SHARPLANINEC A PEARL IN THE SEVERE WORLD OF SNOW AND GREENNESW
http://www.unet.com.mk/sharplaninec/history.htm
STANDARDS OF THE SHARPLANINA SHEPHERD DOG
http://www.unet.com.mk/sharplaninec/standard.htm
FEATURES OF SHARPLANINA DOGS
http://www.unet.com.mk/sharplaninec/features.htm
MACEDONIAN SHEEP DOG - SHARPLANINEC
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/History/history.html

http://www.sharplaninec.com/photos/arxWyoming01.jpg

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:30 AM
Sharplaninec od Makedonija

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPNteHvMaK8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGNiFl3-8dQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbdRWfVPBTE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiwjda2npLE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIqdp-NS084&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsNgWvEYrdc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRoEHv2jnE0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krmUhLXnvXY&feature=related

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:38 AM
Documentary on Sharplaninec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBVMh9ezWNU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55vyYa1_1Uk&feature=fvwrel

In the actual movie is mentioned that the breed is"Sharplaninec"-and not Yugoslavian sheepdog or Deltari or something else!
And the location of the villages were this movie is taken are also mentioned.They are the villages of Gurgrunitca and Sedlarevo,and their location is in the R.Macedonia,at mountain "Suva gora"-near the city of Skopje-the capital of Macedonia!

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:40 AM
Sharplaninec used in the film krvava svadba 1967

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duf3yRvu2z8

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:50 AM
Two large SARPLANINAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhdXFZ-y7Ms&feature=related

Bill77
01-15-2011, 09:52 AM
Thanks for the info Brat.

A few months ago, A Bulgarian Minister gave a Shar Planinec to The Russian President Putin as a Birthday present. I could not believe what i heard (but then again it should not surprise me) he told Putin it was a Bulgarian Mountain dog. Can these dogs (and i'm not talking about the K9) ever show originality instead of stealing? I guess not.

Away from politics, iv'e confronted a couple back overseas and at first they take your breath away. And thats from fear :ohmy:
They are the biggest dogs you would ever see. Well the ones that approached me were as tall as a Great Dane, built like a sherman tank.

Over all, they are gentle with kids, very territorial and one of the most loyal dogs. They are kept mainly to protect from wolves and Bears, which would have been plenty of them around mountain areas such as "Sar Planina", hence where they got there name from.

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 09:54 AM
The TRUE type of Sarplaninac. Notice how he moves, how his body is structured, and look at just how dedicated he is to the kids. You can see something off in the distance has peaked his interest, and instead of running off to investigate, he looked ahead to the kids, ran in front of them and laid down TO STOP THEM from going closer to the threat and farther from his and his owners protective "circle". Every single time I watch this video, I get the goose bumps at the exact same spot. It is when he closes his mouth, fixes his eyes and ears in the direction of the "threat", and turns into his role, protecter of the family, Amazing dog.

http://www.sharplaninec.com/videos/arx2007.mpg
Love the music

Soldier of Macedon
01-15-2011, 10:00 AM
The Albanians call it ILLYRIAN SHEPHERD and like to claim the SHARPLANINEC as theirs , the Serbs call it Yugoslavian Sheppard
Actually, Croats and Serbs are the one's that coined the term Illyrian shepherd dog, if the Albanians use it today they didn't in the past. Both the Sharplaninec dog and the Shar mountains are Macedonian. Good thread TLWR.

*I have moved this thread to the history section.

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 10:20 AM
Thanks Bill, They truly are amazing dogs..
Did the Bulgarian Minister forget to mention that the Sarplaninac that he gave to Putin was actually a cross breed dog from their origins of Mongolia...lol
http://www.mongoldog.ru/images/photo21.jpg

Thanks SOM, your a wealth of knowledge...

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 10:26 AM
Sharplaninec Fighting with a German Shepard
http://www.sharplaninec.com/photos/arxosaurus.jpghttp://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs128.snc4/36769_1399216032475_1594513343_966973_6393877_n.jp g
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs068.ash2/36769_1399272193879_1594513343_967095_357585_n.jpg http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs068.ash2/36769_1399277394009_1594513343_967106_4607656_n.jp ghttp://southernstarsarp.com/Borg-Restelicki-et-loup.jpg

Epirot
01-15-2011, 02:07 PM
IS that true Great ALexander and his army used this dog?

George S.
01-15-2011, 06:50 PM
My dedo tells me the sharplanenac dog is one of the fiercest dogs in the world.He said in the mountains he has seen the dog rip the throat of a bear.THe teeth clench so much that nothing can release it as it bites on to the chunks of flesh.A lot of people have great respect for this dog.I would not be surprised if alexander used such a dog in his army.

Soldier of Macedon
01-15-2011, 09:27 PM
I have also heard the story about the sharplaninec being around during ancient Macedonian times, but not sure if there is anything written about it.

Prolet
01-15-2011, 10:29 PM
Wow a fantastic thread

The Sharplaninec is one of my favorite Kucina, they are wanted in America and sell for up to $3000 for a puppy. They are a trademark of Macedonia, there is no better loyal dog then a Sharplaninec and its love and respect for its owner is amazing.

They are very smart dogs and are used to defend cattle from the wolves high up in the mountains and other predators. They cant be choked by Pit Bulls because they got too much thick skin on their necks and it stretches out which makes it very difficult to choke them.

They come from the Shar Planina regions and they are Macedonian Sheppard Dogs there is no disputing this, we all know that Albanians are not the settlers in Macedonia and Kosovo which makes their claims meaningless.

As for the Bulgarian President Bojko Borisov giving a dog to Vladimir Vladimirovic Putin in Sofia, thats not a Sharplaninec even though it does look similar here is the footage on the clip.

YouTube - A Dog's Heart: Pet lover Putin needs name for fluffy puppy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeS3Eq4e8Qs)

Daniel the Great
01-15-2011, 10:30 PM
They are very nice dogs and are also very large. I think there's people who bread and sell the Sharplaninec in Australia, it would be good to get one. It is no doubt a Macedonian bread of dog even though our neighbors claim and try steel the Sharplaninec along with our identity, name, history, culture and songs.

Prolet
01-15-2011, 10:41 PM
The winner of the Shara Cup which is a Ski Tournament is given a Sharplaninec, its actually one of the oldest Ski Tournaments in Europe.

http://www.saracup.mk/

http://saracup.mk/site/images/stories/novosti/final-2009.jpg

http://saracup.mk/site/plugins/content/contentoptimizer/65d77e0c59bc775c53b7c1aab5b2dbadb5671a27_500x334_Q 90.jpeg

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 10:44 PM
While the origins of the breed are obscured by history, it is believed by some that Šars' ancestry dates back to the time of Alexander The Great. It is also believed that the original mountain shepherd dog (based in the Mollos family) was cross bred with wolves during the Middle Ages to create the 'modern' Sar (certainly the modern Sar resembles a wolf in movement).

Šarplaninac is one of rare dog breeds which can confront and take down a wolf or a bear.

One of the interesting physical characteristics of the Sarplaninac are his unusually large teeth that set it apart from most dogs, further proving its old age of origin. Heavily-boned and muscular, the Sarplaninec has a very rich full top-coat, with an abundant dense undercoat, making it fully weatherproof and suited for an outside life. The breed can also work cattle and serve as a guard dog; it was bred and used as a military dog under Marshal Josip Broz Tito.

Often described by the Macedonian peasants as that of a wolf, a bear and a dragon cursing the Gods in unison. The head is large, with a mastiffy muzzle and powerful jaws

http://southernstarsarp.com/taras4.jpg

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 10:46 PM
Alexander the Great and His Favorite Dog

http://s4.hubimg.com/u/4040475_f520.jpg

Alexander the Great, who dominated, conquered, and created one of the largest empires in ancient history had a beloved dog by his side, named Peritas, who was a Molossian dog. Alexander was 11 years old when he got Peritas.* His dog was rumored to have battled an elephant and brought it to its knees. But Peritas greatest loyalty is in the story of how he saved Alexander the Great.* According to legend, Peritas defended Alexander when he was trapped by his enemies and his own soldiers were prevented from rescuing him. Leonnatus, who fought with Alexander hear Peritas barking and told the dog to run to Alexander.* The courageous dog ran through the soldiers and lurched at the enemies who hadjust wounded Alexander with a javelin.* Peritas attacked many of the men, which allowed Alexander’s soldiers to save him before he was wounded again. Peritas, as the story goes was wounded too, but did not survive, as he used his last breaths to put his head on Alexander’s lap.** Peritas name lives on forever in the city of Peritas, in India which Alexander the Great name for his beloved dog. The tomb of his dog and a statue depicting Peritas still exists at the entrance to the city. Alexander had many dogs, but Peritas was his favorite dog.
http://hubpages.com/hub/dogology-famous-dogs-paw-prints-in-ancient-history


Aristotle, who lived in 384-322 B.C, praises the Molossis dogs and tells us that they served as guardians of the herds, and distinguished themselves from all other dogs through there size and indomitable courage against wild animals.
http://www.jasonandyvette.com/natural-dog//philo/breed/images/history_mollosian.gif

Grattius, Roman poet, of the age of Augustus
Grattius, a contemporary of Ovid wrote ...
...and "when serious work has come, when bravery must be shown, and the impetuous War-god calls in the utmost hazard, then you could not but admire the renowned Molossians so much."
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/230/463964210_dda0f0ff7c.jpg

The LION will ROAR
01-15-2011, 10:59 PM
They are very nice dogs and are also very large. I think there's people who bread and sell the Sharplaninec in Australia, it would be good to get one. It is no doubt a Macedonian bread of dog even though our neighbors claim and try steel the Sharplaninec along with our identity, name, history, culture and songs.

Daniel there is afew in Melbourne that sell Sharplaninec's, a friend Of mine just got one from there not sure by who..will find out..

here is a photo of him
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs015.snc3/12290_1298775387505_1174015060_30754825_7393156_n. jpg
5 month old Macedonian Sarplaninac, Sharko

Here is a link from Melbourne..Serbian breeders
Southern Star Sharplaninec
http://southernstarsarp.com/index-old.htm

Other links of Breeders in Macedonia

THE SHARPLANINEC BREEDING FARM "KORAB"
http://www.unet.com.mk/sharplaninec/farm.htm

WELCOME TO " K E F " THE BEST BREEDER OF MACEDONIA
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/kef.html

Sarplaninac-jozo
http://www.sarplaninac-jozo.com/

Breeding Farm "Grozdanoski”
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Breeding-Farm-Grozdanoski/101884379862030

Daniel the Great
01-16-2011, 12:48 AM
Thanks for the info TLwR.

Prolet
01-16-2011, 01:15 AM
There are also Beli Sharplaninci who are very good at looking after Sheep, they tend to blend in and when Wolves attack they are there and the attackers struggle to tell the difference between them.

Sharplaninci are only good in places where its cold, they tend to struggle in the warmer temperatures. There is a Sharplaninec at the Manastir in Donnybrook.

Daniel the Great
01-16-2011, 04:42 AM
There is a Sharplaninec at the Manastir in Donnybrook.

Ye i'v seen that one a few times, it's very big and very alert.

lavce pelagonski
01-16-2011, 06:09 AM
There is a Sharplaninec at Donnybrook Her nam is Shara :) an amazing dog very smart an knows when you are taking pictures I'll post some soon.

The LION will ROAR
01-16-2011, 06:10 AM
[QUOTE=Prolet;86237]There are also Beli Sharplaninci who are very good at looking after Sheep, they tend to blend in and when Wolves attack they are there and the attackers struggle to tell the difference between them.

Prolet, Here are some photo's of Beli Sharplanici guarding their Flock, as you can see they blend in well..

http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Shar_Planina/Meco_od_KEF1a.jpg
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Shar_Planina/Kanarevo1.jpg
http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Murgjo_Sharr_Mountain_Dog_Nedi_Limani.jpg/180px-Murgjo_Sharr_Mountain_Dog_Nedi_Limani.jpg

lavce pelagonski
01-16-2011, 06:15 AM
ops didnt see you Prolet you already posted. lol

The LION will ROAR
01-16-2011, 07:36 AM
Here some photo's of Sharplanici from puppies to when they fully grown...
Just look at the sizes of these pups..

VICI, a female as a puppy
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/T2/Vici_od_KEF8631g.jpg
VICI full grown
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/T6/Vici_od_KEF1694g.jpg


GORA a female as a puppy
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/GO1/Gora4105.jpg
GORA full grown
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/GO7/Gora_od_KEF6.jpg


VANDA a female as a puppy
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/V2/Vanda_i_Agi.jpg
VANDA full grown
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/V11/Vanda0801g.jpg

The LION will ROAR
01-16-2011, 07:47 AM
BELA female as a puppy
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/B2/Bela6912g.jpg
BELA full grown
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/B10/Bela1553g.jpg


MECA female as a puppy
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/M3/Meca7568.jpg
MECA full grown
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_1/M13/Meca1996g.jpg


MECO male as a puppy
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_2/Meco_1/Meco5592.jpg
MECO full grown
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_2/meco_6/M4233.jpg


GARI male full grown
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_2/G5/Gari1597g.jpg

AJRON male full grown
http://www.kef.com.mk/KEF/Gallery_2/A6/Ajron-g4.jpg

Daniel the Great
01-16-2011, 08:03 AM
A Shar Planinec taking a break after a long days work of herding sheep in Negotino. :biggrin:


http://i53.tinypic.com/nlagkn.jpg

Epirot
01-16-2011, 09:46 AM
I have also heard the story about the sharplaninec being around during ancient Macedonian times, but not sure if there is anything written about it.

Well I found an image of an ancient bas-relief from Luvre Museum that shows meeting of Alexander with Diogen. That dog next Alexander's horse resemble much with the modern dogs of Sharr mountains.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Z8Ay6gxUZ3o/S4pgPy4y7rI/AAAAAAAAErI/hzRrR4tshmM/s400/15586-the-meeting-of-alexander-the-great-pierre-puget.jpg

What are your thoughts?

A mate of mine told me that even in some distant Asian regions where Macedonian and Illyrian garrisons were settled, are found some dogs that resemble with Sharr ones.

julie
01-16-2011, 09:49 AM
beautiful dog, lion head, and a mane for a coat a Macedonian dog, I want one:)

The LION will ROAR
01-17-2011, 06:58 AM
[QUOTE=The LION will ROAR;86230]Daniel there is afew in Melbourne that sell Sharplaninec's, a friend Of mine just got one from there not sure by who..will find out..

here is a photo of him
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs015.snc3/12290_1298775387505_1174015060_30754825_7393156_n. jpg
5 month old Macedonian Sarplaninac, Sharko


Here are some recent photo's of my mates Sarplaninac, Sharko
Check out his dog collar
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs075.snc6/168577_119266124812672_100001878555216_150237_5863 492_n.jpg
http://l27.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-ash1/hs739.ash1/163115_119266158146002_100001878555216_150239_3251 533_n.jpg

The LION will ROAR
01-17-2011, 07:00 AM
The image of the Šarplaninec is featured on the reverse of the Macedonian 1 Denar coin, issued in 1993

Macedonian One Denar
http://southernstarsarp.com/1_Dinar_Macedonia_1993.jpg

The LION will ROAR
01-17-2011, 07:06 AM
A true story about a soldier and the Sarplaninec that saved his life.

http://www.sarplan.com/id42.html

I can never forget what that dog did for me. It was in the

freezing winter of 1988. I was serving in my National Army

Service that year. I was 18 years old and the duty I

pulled that freezing night was to patrol the border between

Macedonia and Albania. The temperature that night was

-30c. My uniform and freeze proof grease didn't seem to

help any at all. I was freezing and badly equipped for my

duty I had no radio, no map, and not even a light. As I

was walking through the woods I became lost, I had totally

lost my sense of direction. I soon noticed someone or

something was following me. I suddenly stopped walking and

loaded my rifle. I was scared and very cold. I kept

looking in the direction the sound was coming from and

pointed my rifle towards whatever it was. All of a sudden

I noticed it was a dog, my first thought was this is a

wolf. So I remained very still just in case it decided to

attack me that way I could shoot it. The animal stood

still just like me. All I could see was its shadow against

the snow and cold moonlit night. I started to make

friendly sounds toward the animal and said to it come on

doggy, come on. It moved slowly towards me and then there

it was. It was a very large Sarplaninac with a full winter

coat. He was wagging his tail happy to see me. I was very

tired and relieved; all I wanted to do was sleep. I gave

the dog a big hug, and felt his nice warm fur against me.

I knew somehow that I needed to find my army base as

quickly as possible, however I was tired, weak and a very

inexperienced soldier. As I walked the dog followed me it

felt good to have a companion by my side. My fear was much

diminished by his presence. As I walked I came up on a

house that had been abandoned. It was in ruins it did not

have any doors or windows on it. I was so tired that I

decided to go in and sleep there. I just couldn't carry

what little equipment I had anymore. I laid on the frozen

floor, and this big dog just laid down beside me, he curled

up very close and I put myself against him. His winter

coat kept me warm. I could feel his bones through his fur

and I knew he had not eaten in a long time, evidently he

had been abandoned by his owners but oh he kept me warm.

His eyes were sad and he never barked when we were together

alone. Soon I fell asleep beside him I don't know for how

long I was sleeping but it must have been hours. All of a

sudden I heard sounds and shouting. It was my patrol!

However I was so weak I couldn't move. I shouted weakly

and the dog began barking. As my patrol came upon me the

dog started growling to protect me from them. I asked if I

could take the dog with me and the answer was No! I asked

if I could give him food, again the answer was No! It was

to be the last I ever saw of that dog, my lonely hungry

friend. I was in the Yugoslav National Service for another

three weeks. I decided then to desert the military and

went to live in the United Kingdom. That dog saved my

life, and I never had the chance to thank him or hug him.

I didn't even get to give him a bone or take him home and

save him as he had saved me. It was my wish that he would

never be alone.

Pelister
01-17-2011, 09:55 PM
Well I found an image of an ancient bas-relief from Luvre Museum that shows meeting of Alexander with Diogen. That dog next Alexander's horse resemble much with the modern dogs of Sharr mountains.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Z8Ay6gxUZ3o/S4pgPy4y7rI/AAAAAAAAErI/hzRrR4tshmM/s400/15586-the-meeting-of-alexander-the-great-pierre-puget.jpg

What are your thoughts?

A mate of mine told me that even in some distant Asian regions where Macedonian and Illyrian garrisons were settled, are found some dogs that resemble with Sharr ones.

Assuming it is the same dog. If the dog used in Alexander's armies has survived, why couldn't the people have survived? Just a thought and a question.

Epirot
01-18-2011, 09:37 AM
Assuming it is the same dog. If the dog used in Alexander's armies has survived, why couldn't the people have survived? Just a thought and a question.

No Pelister !!! In this world only Greeks could survived up to our days. They impress me with their unbroken continuity:37:...just kidding.

Modern imposer Greeks inherited beside others even the motorcycles from 'their' famous ancestors: :21:

http://i53.tinypic.com/x0s395.jpg

Akzion
01-18-2011, 02:20 PM
Well I found an image of an ancient bas-relief from Luvre Museum that shows meeting of Alexander with Diogen. That dog next Alexander's horse resemble much with the modern dogs of Sharr mountains.

What are your thoughts?

A mate of mine told me that even in some distant Asian regions where Macedonian and Illyrian garrisons were settled, are found some dogs that resemble with Sharr ones.
I know nothing of dogs, but that is neither ancient, nor local. It's a French artwork from late 1600s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_and_Alexander#Puget.27s_La_rencontre

Soldier of Macedon
01-18-2011, 05:06 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/x0s395.jpg
Lol, that's funny.

Risto the Great
01-18-2011, 05:30 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/x0s395.jpg

I have it on good authority that this is an authentic piece but the person sitting behind is a man and the clothes and motorcycle were painted (much) later.

Soldier of Macedon
01-18-2011, 06:10 PM
It's probably that moron that once slithered around here called 'sportster'.

Epirot
01-19-2011, 08:02 AM
Lol, that's funny.

SoM, that's nothing comparing with other advanced technologies of ancient Greeks :40:For example ancient Greeks used a kind of laptop computers of highest quality :arabia::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Douris_Man_with_wax_tablet.jpg

So it's quite injustice when some people wants to deny the heritage of ancient Hellenes into modern ones... lol

Sorry for being ironic but having in mind the arrogance celebrated by most of imposer Greeks, I simply can't hold my laughing with the superiority of them.

Just for a curiosity: Did you know that Aphrodite arranged her meetings with Ares on her cell phone?
Let face with the facts:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s108/voyatzer/december07/aphrodite_01copy.jpg

What irks me the most is your persistence on denying the Greek superiority in field of technology!!!

Pelister
01-19-2011, 10:43 PM
No Pelister !!! In this world only Greeks could survived up to our days. They impress me with their unbroken continuity:37:...just kidding.

Modern imposer Greeks inherited beside others even the motorcycles from 'their' famous ancestors: :21:

http://i53.tinypic.com/x0s395.jpg

haha :-)

Stop the Press

There has been a outcry in Greece at the suggestion that the image on this vase is a fake. The Greek government has even moved its military to the border region, and withdrawn its diplomats from the embassy as a protest against the assertion the image is a fake. The Greeks have been hurt by the suggestion, insisting the image is real and the 'chariot' is an authentic ancient Greek artefact, and add that they can prove it (if only anyone will listen!).

makedonche
01-20-2011, 12:22 AM
Pellister

:21::21::21::21:

George S.
01-20-2011, 01:44 AM
As far as sheep dogs are concerned they are very obedien't & just eat a small piece of bread.The dog knows to look after the sheep & doesn't need constant reminders & protects the sheep from predators.

The LION will ROAR
01-20-2011, 07:56 AM
SARPLANINAC - ABORIGINAL TYPE

Sarplaninac are usually of wolf/iron-gray colour better known among shepherds under the name of "murdz". Being a moloss, which is a main characteristic in all varieties of colouring (you can see even a wolf-type heads also in all varieties, which is the result of mating with wolves and is happening even today), shepherds on Shara divide their dogs only by colour of the fur, such as (and I've already seen it ) "murdz" - wolf/iron-gray colour, "karabas" - lighter coloured dogs with black heads or deep dark masks on their muzles and foreheads, "merdzan" - snow white to ivory, "zlatan" - golden yellow, "medov" - brown, "sari" - brindle, "karaman" - black, etc...
And how did shepherds get different varieties of dogs? Well, it is not that hard to explain. In almost every village on Shara mountain there is just a few females (sometimes only one in the whole village) and a much bigger number of males. Reason for that is that males are usually larger and stronger (more aggressive too) than females, so shepherds rather retained males because it is easier for them to keep of and overpower predators.
According to the rules of shepherds, only one, chosen dog (strongest and bravest), will be pairing all bitches. These dogs are usually very dominant in every way, and their descendants will very much look like them and then, in a year or two, you will have a good number of dogs that are very similar, physically and psychologically and they will be bred in the near future. Some incest's could occur, so bloodline of their dominant ancestor would be even more established. Then you will have in one village (or bigger area) dogs of one type and in another village (where same practice is applied) you would have a somewhat different type (distinctions in colour,size, or even head shapes etc.). Keeping in mind that this method is used among people of Shara for centuries (and somewhere still is) there is your answer.
Dividing dogs on the base of colour is present at shepherds but it does not have any influence on dog selection, because only criteria on which they decide what dog is going to be with their flock is:- that dog has to be capable of defending the flock from predators. Still, even today, in most of aboriginal Sarplaninac litters you can find different coloured puppies in same litter. Centuries ago, those on one hand different types of dogs, were mated, because shepherds took their bitches for mating to a strongest and bravest males, based on a logic: - strong and fearless dogs will give us strong and fearless puppies - and all of that regardless of colour, so that fact is what gives us that multicolouration in litters. Puppies never had some special care, their life depended on their resilience. Due to the hard life and harsh climate, primal selection began with the first days of life of those puppies and first months are just one big test for them. While growing up,they are learning from older dogs the secrets of the job which they will do, but that is not necessary because it is simply written in their genes. In half plays-half fights, those young dogs are learning the art of fighting. When dogs are some wear between 9 and 12 months old, they are going trough the last toughest test. Shepherds then set traps in the mountain in order to catch a live wolf and when wolf is trapped, people chain him and bring him to the village to test the character of their dogs last time. Any dog who was afraid, or hesitates to take a determined attack on the wild beast is eliminated from his pack, and shepherds do that cruellest way possible - by death!
The character of Sarplaninac is, believed by many, something that divides him of all other livestock guardians. In autumn, when first snow starts to fall, dogs are coming back from the mountain pastures with their flocks to villages and that isn't period when dogs can rest for a while. The predators are always hungry, especially during winter when everything is covered with snow and there is not much other animals to feed on. But that is not the only thing, during the winter people organize numerous fight tournaments being a common tradition in South-East of Europe and Asia, in order to establish which dog is strongest. Watching those tournament fights, you can really see what is their true nature. The site of two Sarplaninac males that are fighting is very much reassembling a battle of two knights. When one of the dogs starts to show that he had enough, he will receive few more bites from the better dog in that match and fighting stops. Sure enough, there can be a lot of blood spilled, but that would rarely result with death of some dog, while their way of fighting with wolfs or bears is totally opposite. When Sarplaninac is fighting mountain beasts, he won't stop at any cause. Either he will kill the predator or either lose his life in trying to kill it. Still, when dogs are on the mountain with the flock, you will not see them chasing a wolf away from sheep's, because that is exactly what wolfs are wishing they would do. There is a very interesting tactic of one wolf pack. Usually wolfs will send one of them to arouse the dogs and to try to make the dogs chase it, while the rest are slaughtering sheep's behind their backs, but this does not work and wolfs are trying to avoid fights with Sarplaninacs. They will strike at the dogs only if their hunger is that strong that overwhelms their rational reasoning and then starts a battle for life or death for dogs and wolfs equally.
That almost unique Sarplaninac characteristic, that he can put up with all terrible bites of his opponent and not let a sound, even when Sarplaninac is losing parts of his body, is now being abused. How?
Due to the industrial advancement and recent war, population of wolfs on Sarplanina region is now largely reduced, so nowadays, it is sad but true, you can see Sarplaninacs in their homeland, fighting each other more often then it was a case before, but it does not end there. You can even see them fighting American Pitt Bull Terriers, Caucasian Ovcarkas, Central Asian Ovcarkas, and all kind of other breeds, in fighting rings all over Serbia & Montenegro. The only good thing (hardly that there can be any, but...) that comes from all of that, is that Sarplaninac can cope with almost every breed and frequently comes as a winner. But, if people proceed to put Sarplaninacs in fights, nobody knows how it would effect his nature in future.

The LION will ROAR
01-25-2011, 06:48 AM
ANCIENT ORIGINS OF THE BREED

http://southernstarsarp.com/HIISTORY%20PIC1.jpg

The Sarplaninac: (Pronounced Shar-Pla-Nee-Natz), is a breed of Antiquity, believed by many to be one of the oldest true Molossers in the World. The breed has taken its name after the Sharplanina mountain range from where it originated.

http://southernstarsarp.com/09jan05.jpg
The Sarplanina mountain range is still the ancestral home of this breed and here the Sarplaninac is still used to protect flocks of sheep, goats and even cattle from mountain predators. Legends and folklore surround the breed and tell of its supernatural strength and bravery. Up here it is know as the "Planinski Duh" or "Mountain ghost".

http://southernstarsarp.com/Borg-Restelicki-et-loup.jpg
a rare picture of Sarplaninac engaging a wolf. Renowned for his incorruptible courage, the Sarplaninac will not hesitate to lay down his own life in defense of family, flock or master. The Sarplaninac is a peerless flock guardian and family protector with an undiluted spirit and a noble heart.

http://southernstarsarp.com/armyu%20and%20dog.jpghttp://southernstarsarp.com/army%20&%20group%20dogs%20shot.jpg
These are the characteristics that have also made the Sarplaninac a valuable service dog with a number of K9 units within the countries than now comprise the Former Yugoslavia.

http://southernstarsarp.com/images/area_sarplanina.JPG
Today this area is geographically divided by three nations (Serbia, Macedonia & Albania) and unfortunately is still a volatile war prone region. The Sarplanina mountain range itself is only around 80km long and 12km wide and today runs along the southern borders of Serbia known as Kosovo and NW borders of Macedonia as well as a small section of the Albanian border. This mountain range has a highest peak of 2760 meters above sea level and is covered with snow from November to March. There are extreme climate variances from extremely cold below freezing winters to scorching hot summers so the dogs are very well adapted to handling extreme weather

http://southernstarsarp.com/Sar%20and%20sheep.jpg
During the summer months the Sarplanina mountain range can be described as a ‘Sea of Grass’, in fact it is the largest compact area covered in pastures on the European Continent.
The family of mastiff breeds are commonly referred to as Molossers, named after those dogs that were originally found in the geographic region that we refer to today as the Balkans. Prior to the Turkish conquest of the area, all of the shepherd dogs of the Balkans were believed to be subgroups of a primary type of large broad headed, pendulant eared, shepherd-dog known as a “Molossian Dog”, named after the fierce tribe that once inhabited the region and kept such dogs as flock guards in their fields and guard dogs for their homes.

ANCIENT ORIGINS OF THE BREED
http://southernstarsarp.com/mollosi%20dog.jpghttp://southernstarsarp.com/shara%20cal%20pic.jpg
Left: Molossi "Dog of Alchibaides " Right : a Modern Sarplaninac .

The Molossian Theory: The Mother of Alexander the Great was Olympia who was herself a Molossian Queen from the Epirus Kingdom. It is widely believed that the Sarplaninac is directly descended from these original ‘Molossian’ sheep dogs of ancient Epirus. Some scholars believe the Sarplaninac (or it’s direct ancestors) to be the palace dog of Alexander the Great. More over, this geographic area, now know on the Serbian side as Kosovo, was once the heart of the Serbian Empire and civilization which flourished in the middle ages during the time of the Nemanja Kings. It is believed by many that this dog was at the side of King Lazar in his great battles with the invading Turks.

Aristotle, who lived in 384-322 B.C, even wrote about these famous dogs of Epirus. In his "Historia Animalium" he tells us about, among several other dog breeds, the dog from Molossia in Epirus. Aristotle praises the Molossis dogs and tells us that they served as guardians of the herds, and distinguished themselves from all other dogs through there size and indomitable courage against wild animals.

The Roman chronicler Varro, writing in 37 BC in his "De Re Rustica", gives us a sort of breed standard for the Molossian dog:


http://southernstarsarp.com/taras4.jpg
They must be comely in face, of great size, with eyes either darkish or yellowish. Large symmetrical nostrils, lips black with the upper lip neither raised to high or drooping too low. Stubby jaws with large teeth covered by lips, large head and drooping ears. Thick shoulders and neck with thighs long and straight with large wide paws that spread when he walks. A deep bark and wide gape. The backbone neither projecting or swayed, thick coated and of leonine (lion like)appearance

http://southernstarsarp.com/ASSIRAIN.jpg
The Assyrian Theory: Although many pieces of this puzzle are still missing, there is evidence that the origin of this large muscular, short-muzzled “type” of dog goes back even further to the Assyrians ( see wall relief below) and perhaps even before that to the region now known as Tibet.

http://southernstarsarp.com/1%20old%20tibetan%20mastif%20piccompressed.JPG
The Tibetan Theory: suggests that the progenitor of all Mastiff dogs was the Tibetan Mastiff. It is believed that these dogs came with the nomadic Asiatic tribes that migrated into Asia Minor and Europe along the ancient “silk roads”.
This turn of the century Tibetan Mastiff does not look as much like today's Tibetan mastifs as he looks more like today’s Sarplaninac

http://southernstarsarp.com/atlas_murko_2.jpg
All three of these theories have seem to have as many supporters as it has detractors. Based on the nomadic and migratory nature of ancient and prehistoric Europe, I personally believe that the truth is probably a mixtures of all three theories as I don't think that there theory are at all mutually exclusive.

What we do know is that there is a distinct resemblance between all of the great Molosser breeds such as the Tibet Mastiff, the Caucasian Ovtcharka, Sarplaninac, the Central Asian, and the Kangal dog. For me this only confirms the ancient and primary origins of breed. I could be said that the area now known as Kosovo seems to have been a crossing point for all of the major invasions and migrations from Asia into Europe. The white shepherd dogs Western Europe such as the Maremma and the Great Pyrenees are also clearly a part of this ancient family tree and these ancient breeds can be found scattered all over Europe and Eurasia.

Makedonetz
01-25-2011, 10:20 PM
Very nice dogs wow id love to get one of these animals.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Sarplaninac_lying_down.jpg

George S.
01-26-2011, 04:50 PM
you propably get one from some breeders.

Makedonetz
01-26-2011, 05:47 PM
george s

thay are nice dogs indeed! I'll have to research some and see f their are any kennels who breed them here in canada.

Id love to get a little tubby like this...

http://sarplaninac.deshautsdemalforet.levillage.org/21%2005%2008%20armony%2012.jpg

What would you name this guy? :wub:

julie
01-26-2011, 11:15 PM
The y look like teddy bears and my sick stalker neighbour would feel threatened I want one

Makedonetz
01-26-2011, 11:16 PM
julie they are a cutie arent they ;D

man they sure get big though! wonder how much food these dogs can eat! probaly eats Burek hehehe

Bet your stalker wont come around once one of these dogs scares the s*it out of them.

The LION will ROAR
01-27-2011, 07:29 AM
george s

thay are nice dogs indeed! I'll have to research some and see f their are any kennels who breed them here in canada.

Id love to get a little tubby like this...

http://sarplaninac.deshautsdemalforet.levillage.org/21%2005%2008%20armony%2012.jpg

What would you name this guy? :wub:

Canada might be an ideal place for a sarplaninac with it's colder climate..
but these dogs would need a big area to roam around..
That's why I wouldn't get one living in Sydney...climate is just too hot for them...

Makedonetz you can name him maybe Sharre, Sharko, or Junior Makedonetz...lol

Makedonetz
01-27-2011, 11:13 AM
Canada might be an ideal place for a sarplaninac with it's colder climate..
but these dogs would need a big area to roam around..
That's why I wouldn't get one living in Sydney...climate is just too hot for them...

Makedonetz you can name him maybe Sharre, Sharko, or Junior Makedonetz...lol

yeah indeed the snow we have here he would love it and stay warm lol

Sharko is a cool name :)

The LION will ROAR
03-09-2011, 05:56 AM
Mite from Macedonia, Tattooed his favourite Dog.."A true lover of the Sharplaninec"

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/29781_1268064262532_1257572754_30608726_1056970_n. jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180025_195137873831025_100000044413467_802877_3179 178_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/155790_1471215461185_1257572754_31049702_3246051_n .jpghttp://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/167594_1536601655799_1257572754_31186653_5659453_n .jpg

Makedonetz
03-09-2011, 02:03 PM
Nice tatoo and nice looking dog!

miticmk
03-10-2011, 10:56 AM
tnx i love them ...

The LION will ROAR
03-10-2011, 09:53 PM
tnx i love them ...
Zdravo Miticmk, I'm guessing this is you and your Sharplaninec...?
If you have any information or like to add about Sharplaninec and the breeds in Macedonia or your experience with them, we would be delighted if you can post it here..
Pozdrav

Makedonetz
03-11-2011, 12:55 PM
Yes please do Miticmk im looking into possibly getting one of these breeds any news or info would be great about the breed and what to look for etc.

Dobar Den

Boris

George S.
03-11-2011, 11:24 PM
MZIf you ask around there must be breeders etc that know where to get them & how to get them.

lavce pelagonski
03-15-2011, 11:01 PM
Here are some Pictures I promised from Donnybrooke St. Prohor Puchinski, Melbourne
this is Shara Otrec Gavrils dog Ithink she is 4yrs old

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197478_10150208972462786_522952785_9139741_6887633 _n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197478_10150208972467786_522952785_9139742_4632219 _n.jpg

The LION will ROAR
03-21-2011, 06:39 AM
Very interesting listening to the guy talk about the Sharplaninec breed in Macedonia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgFfkeIapHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hes9dIes9JQ

lavce pelagonski
03-24-2011, 06:18 PM
Another pic of Shara

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/196265_10150214632107786_522952785_9190902_4372980 _n.jpg

julie
03-24-2011, 06:41 PM
I really want one of these beautiful souls. Can someone give me the details of someone in Australia, preferably Vic, where I can get one please :)

The LION will ROAR
03-24-2011, 06:54 PM
I really want one of these beautiful souls. Can someone give me the details of someone in Australia, preferably Vic, where I can get one please :)

Hey Julie,

My mate bought Sharko from a Borce he is from the Macedon Region of Melbourne or just before the entrance to Melbourne his number is 0405 556 948, I dont know if he has any litters now, he usually advertises in the Australian Macedonian news paper when he has litters. Give him a call he might be able to help you..

Here is another link from Melbourne..Serbian breeders
Southern Star Sharplaninec
http://southernstarsarp.com/index-old.htm

julie
03-24-2011, 11:52 PM
Thank you LWR :)
awesome, when get back from Macedonia will contact him and see when next litter is due

George S.
03-25-2011, 03:59 AM
LwR the website is great.

TRAVOLTA
03-25-2011, 06:56 AM
http://www4.slikomat.com/10/0325/4gl-shara2.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4780256.htm)

The family of mastiff breeds are commonly referred to as Molossers, and are named after those dogs that were originally found in the Balkan region. It is widely believed that the Sarplaninac (pronounced Shar-Pla-Nee-Natz), pictured above (also known as the Macedonian Shepherd dog of Sharplanina) is a breed of antiquity, believed by many to be one of the oldest true Molosser dogs in the world. The breed takes its name from the Sharplanina mountain range from where it originated. Directly descended from the original Molossian sheep dogs of ancient Epirus, some scholars believe the Sarplaninac (or its direct ancestors) to be the palace dog of Alexander the Great. Alexander was only a boy of 11 when he got his dog Peritas as a puppy. When Peritas died on a pass to India, Alexander named a city after him. His tomb and a statue of the dog were placed at its gate

Today the livestock guardian breeds of Bulgaria, Albania, Serbia, Greece, Rumania and other Balkan countries are a result of the geographic and selective breeding practices followed by the native peoples of the area. Nevertheless, they all have the same ancestral roots in the original Alaunt and Epirian Moloss stock, once called Molossian dogs by the ancients. Indeed the Sarplaninac Mountain range is but a couple of hundred kilometres from the original Molossi kingdom of Epirus now located on the edge of the Balkan Peninsula in North-West Greece.

http://www4.slikomat.com/10/0325/36-babylo.jpg (http://www.Slikomat.com/slika/4780257.htm)

George S.
03-25-2011, 11:31 PM
My neighbour is from the ukraine & he really wan't's to get one of these sharplaninac.

lavce pelagonski
06-26-2011, 12:49 AM
New pics of Shara's pups from St. Prohor Puchinski, these are Otec Gavrils.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/267678_10150355497457786_522952785_10247257_438265 3_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/263443_10150355497587786_522952785_10247260_642135 3_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/265015_10150355497727786_522952785_10247264_311239 4_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/264815_10150355497897786_522952785_10247267_770456 4_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/259855_10150355498082786_522952785_10247270_405753 8_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269681_10150355498222786_522952785_10247274_146578 1_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270580_10150355497192786_522952785_10247250_173985 9_n.jpg

lavce pelagonski
06-26-2011, 01:38 AM
YouTube - ‪Sharplaninci from Monastery St. Prohor Puchinski‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzJuNgkPKIg)

George S.
06-26-2011, 03:44 AM
The ones we got in macedonia are placid when the owner is around but when theowner is not there it will rip you to shreds.

lavce pelagonski
06-26-2011, 03:51 AM
That is exactly what they do when Otec is not around they make trouble.

George S.
06-26-2011, 04:49 AM
i wonder if they are protecting the dog in macedonia by breeding it making sure it stays on & on?

julie
06-26-2011, 02:07 PM
George there is a breeder in Victoria . They dont allow cross breeding . There was a new litter available in Feb , I am looking at getting one in the future dependent on a couple of things .

George S.
06-26-2011, 05:45 PM
I read the article you have to order them in advance.

The LION will ROAR
06-27-2011, 10:06 AM
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/224377_10150184000041250_595361249_6893109_801683_ n.jpg

George S.
06-27-2011, 02:33 PM
isn't that cute,i think julie was looking for a pup.

VMRO
06-28-2011, 07:49 AM
Шарпланинецот со двојно државјанство

Српските кинолози повторно ја пласираат тезата дека шарпланинецот е куче со српско државјанство, дека шарпланинците на другата страна на Шар Планина се побројни и поквалитетни

Шарпланинецот во Меѓународната кинолошка федерација е регистриран како куче со двојно државјанство: македонско и српско. Неговото официјалното име и сега е југословенски овчарски пес. Сепак, превирањата околу расата шарпланинец с` уште постојат.
Српските кинолози, преку тамошните медиуми, деновиве повторно ја пласираат тезата дека шарпланинецот е куче со српско државјанство. Потоа, дека одгледуваните шарпланинци на другата страна на Шар Планина се побројни, поквалитетни и подобри отколку одгледуваните во Македонија.
Македонските кинолози, пак, велат оти двојното државјанство на шарпланинецот е направено во 1995 година, со компромис под притисок на Меѓународната кинолошка федерација (ФЦИ), за да се избегне судир со Србија. Реакциите на српските одгледувачи тие ги карактеризираат како одбрана од можното членство на Косово во ФЦИ, со што Србија би ја изгубила оваа раса бидејќи не ја контролира северната страна на Шар Планина.
Според српската агенција Танјуг, шарпланинецот е регистриран уште во 1939 година под името илирски овчар, за 18 години подоцна, под предлог на Југословенскиот кинолошки сојуз да го добие името југословенски овчарски пес - шарпланинец кое го носи и сега.
- Југославија веќе не постои, а иако досега имаше спорење дали шарпланинецот ќе биде македонски или српски, неговото официјално име не е доведено во прашање. Сепак, Србија со аргументи докажа дека шарпланинецот е нејзин, со оглед на тоа дека на нејзината територија го има повеќе - изјави генералниот секретар на Кинолошкиот сојуз на Србија Махмуд ал Дагистани за српската агенција Танјуг.
Македонските кинолози тврдат дека Македонија и Србија заедно се зачлениле во во Меѓународната кинолошка федерација (ФЦИ) со лично залагање на тогашниот претседател на федерацијата Карл Петер Рајзингер.
Според Слободан Милошевски, секретар на Кинолошкиот сојуз, Македонија уште оттогаш тврди и докажува дека расата е многу пораспространета кај нас бидејќи го нема само на Шар Планина, туку и на планините Кораб, на Бистра, на Јакупица.
- Имавме докази дека полицијата давала дозволи овчарите да ги селат овците по течението на Вардар, а со нив оделе и шарпланинците со што тој се раширил низ цела Македонија - вели Милошевски.
Српскиот одгледувач Ненад Стојменовиќ, исто така, смета дека шарпланинецот ~ припаѓа на Србија, затоа што во Србија се многу поквалитетни и подобри отколку во Македонија.
- Дури и ако Косово е призната држава, Албанците кучето кое е слично на шарпланинецот го прогласија за делта илири, со нов стандард и така го предадоа во Меѓународната кинолошка федерација (ФЦИ) на усвојување - вели Стојменовиќ.

Расата ја донел Александар Македонски

Некои историски аналитичари сметаат дека предците на денешните шарпланинци ги донел Александар Македонски, повлекувајќи се од Азија, пишува на официјалната интернет-страница на Кинолошкиот сојуз на Македонија.
Новите истражување покажале дека тој води потекло од Балканскиот Полуостров, поточно од планинските масиви на Македонија (Шар Планина, Кораб, Стогово, Бистра и Маврово). Шарпланинецот е македонска национална гордост и се наоѓа на монетата од еден денар и на поштенска марка од Македонски пошти.
Горан ризаов

lavce pelagonski
06-28-2011, 08:10 AM
Posted by VMRO in the Macedonian discussion

Шарпланинецот со двојно државјанство

Српските кинолози повторно ја пласираат тезата дека шарпланинецот е куче со српско државјанство, дека шарпланинците на другата страна на Шар Планина се побројни и поквалитетни

Шарпланинецот во Меѓународната кинолошка федерација е регистриран како куче со двојно државјанство: македонско и српско. Неговото официјалното име и сега е „југословенски овчарски пес“. Сепак, превирањата околу расата шарпланинец с` уште постојат.
Српските кинолози, преку тамошните медиуми, деновиве повторно ја пласираат тезата дека шарпланинецот е куче со српско државјанство. Потоа, дека одгледуваните шарпланинци на другата страна на Шар Планина се побројни, поквалитетни и подобри отколку одгледуваните во Македонија.
Македонските кинолози, пак, велат оти двојното државјанство на шарпланинецот е направено во 1995 година, со компромис под притисок на Меѓународната кинолошка федерација (ФЦИ), за да се избегне судир со Србија. Реакциите на српските одгледувачи тие ги карактеризираат како одбрана од можното членство на Косово во ФЦИ, со што Србија би ја изгубила оваа раса бидејќи не ја контролира северната страна на Шар Планина.
Според српската агенција Танјуг, шарпланинецот е регистриран уште во 1939 година под името илирски овчар, за 18 години подоцна, под предлог на Југословенскиот кинолошки сојуз да го добие името југословенски овчарски пес - шарпланинец кое го носи и сега.
- Југославија веќе не постои, а иако досега имаше спорење дали шарпланинецот ќе биде македонски или српски, неговото официјално име не е доведено во прашање. Сепак, Србија со аргументи докажа дека шарпланинецот е нејзин, со оглед на тоа дека на нејзината територија го има повеќе - изјави генералниот секретар на Кинолошкиот сојуз на Србија Махмуд ал Дагистани за српската агенција Танјуг.
Македонските кинолози тврдат дека Македонија и Србија заедно се зачлениле во во Меѓународната кинолошка федерација (ФЦИ) со лично залагање на тогашниот претседател на федерацијата Карл Петер Рајзингер.
Според Слободан Милошевски, секретар на Кинолошкиот сојуз, Македонија уште оттогаш тврди и докажува дека расата е многу пораспространета кај нас бидејќи го нема само на Шар Планина, туку и на планините Кораб, на Бистра, на Јакупица.
- Имавме докази дека полицијата давала дозволи овчарите да ги селат овците по течението на Вардар, а со нив оделе и шарпланинците со што тој се раширил низ цела Македонија - вели Милошевски.
Српскиот одгледувач Ненад Стојменовиќ, исто така, смета дека шарпланинецот ~ припаѓа на Србија, „затоа што во Србија се многу поквалитетни и подобри отколку во Македонија“.
- Дури и ако Косово е призната држава, Албанците кучето кое е слично на шарпланинецот го прогласија за делта илири, со нов стандард и така го предадоа во Меѓународната кинолошка федерација (ФЦИ) на усвојување - вели Стојменовиќ.

Расата ја донел Александар Македонски

Некои историски аналитичари сметаат дека предците на денешните шарпланинци ги донел Александар Македонски, повлекувајќи се од Азија, пишува на официјалната интернет-страница на Кинолошкиот сојуз на Македонија.
„Новите истражување покажале дека тој води потекло од Балканскиот Полуостров, поточно од планинските масиви на Македонија (Шар Планина, Кораб, Стогово, Бистра и Маврово)“. Шарпланинецот е македонска национална гордост и се наоѓа на монетата од еден денар и на поштенска марка од „Македонски пошти“.
Горан ризаов

George S.
06-28-2011, 08:32 AM
what a load of sebian crap the sarplaninec why is it sarplaninec because it is native to that area.My dedo tells me that's the dogs original home.THe nerve of some people they just want to steal other countries dogs.When i told my dedo he just laughed because he & his family have been sheepherding for hundreds of years & they never hears anything more bullshitty than it being serbian.THese dogs go back to alexander the great
& he & his soldiers used the dogs.Unbeleivable these people will just about appropriate anything forthemselves.yugoslav shepherd dog indeed.

George S.
06-28-2011, 08:59 AM
THe sarplaninec is native to macedonia to sar planinec even though they have him on other mountains in macedonia.The serbs are dreaming because they even call it yugoslav shepherd dog.It's just sheer speculation on the serb parts.

julie
06-28-2011, 07:11 PM
Shar planina is in Macedonia . Not in Serbia . The end .

julie
06-28-2011, 07:16 PM
Shar planina se najuga vo makedonia , neka si barat ochite vo Serbia poveke ne sme pod tito sega

Struja
06-30-2011, 10:00 AM
My uncle has 6 pups at the moment, their 3 weeks old. If anyone want ones just let me know.

DedoAleko
07-21-2011, 03:37 AM
The bolvars claim it too :)

George S.
07-21-2011, 12:13 PM
DA people will do anything to steal other people's history.That includes dogs.

The LION will ROAR
01-11-2012, 07:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ckwT-zESauU

Just a warning for some that might find this as animal cruelty of two dogs fighting..

Mind you I do not condone this sort of thing I find it barbaric especially when it’s a organised fight..
You have a Sharplaninec and if I’m not mistaken a Kangal Dog the national breed from the Kangal region of Turkey fighting..?

No surprise this fight was organised by a bunch of Albanians and I think it may be around the Tetovo region of Macedonia..

One positive thing out of it, is that The Macedonian Sharplaninec the smaller dog, overall one the fight from start to finish..
What was disturbing out of it, was the other dog losing, actually surrendered but the Albanians kept encouraging the dogs to fight..
I assuming they wanted to see a kill...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ckwT-zESauU

United MKD
01-11-2012, 07:43 AM
Disgusting I hate seeing shit like this, why couldn't the dogs just attack those dirty shiptars around them. Смердени шиптари.

Risto the Great
01-11-2012, 02:56 PM
What a tenacious dog!
The video was disgusting but compelling.

Risto the Great
03-25-2012, 08:48 PM
The Ukranian Ovcharka is no lap dog:

http://www.moveoneinc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/South-Russian-Ovcharka-Alex-Snow-Rose.jpg

George S.
03-26-2012, 12:22 AM
Looks like a polar bear.If it had dark spots it would be a panda.Massive dogs.A chiuwawa would look like a mouse compared to that dog.

Astibus
05-21-2012, 10:17 PM
The TRUE type of Sarplaninac. Notice how he moves, how his body is structured, and look at just how dedicated he is to the kids. You can see something off in the distance has peaked his interest, and instead of running off to investigate, he looked ahead to the kids, ran in front of them and laid down TO STOP THEM from going closer to the threat and farther from his and his owners protective "circle". Every single time I watch this video, I get the goose bumps at the exact same spot. It is when he closes his mouth, fixes his eyes and ears in the direction of the "threat", and turns into his role, protecter of the family, Amazing dog.

http://www.sharplaninec.com/videos/arx2007.mpg
Love the music
TLwR, Thank you so much for your kind words! This is actually my dog Arx in the video. You are absolutely correct, true Macedonian Sharplaninci are phenomenal dogs. There's just nothing like them. By the way, Arx is still alive, I bred him once about three years ago to get 6 beautiful puppies out of him. I've retired him last year together with a female Shar on a remote goat farm in Montana. As it turns out, that farm happened to be severly infested with predators. Coyotes and wolves had frequently come by to snatch livestock before. This abruptly ended with my Shars on the ground - so much for retirement I guess. ;) Well, they came one more time to go after the livestock as usual, got the full Sharplaninec experience never to return to that farm again. Zero losses in livestock ever since, not even little chicks are missing. In his old years Arx is still going strong, in fact last winter he decided to have one more litter of four male Shar pups. This dog never backed down against any adversary, in his life he gave more "dancing lessons" to predators than any dog should, yet he's always remained the most loving companion to his family. His loyalty and bravery greatly outshines what's in that video, I just didn't always have a camera around to film it.

There's simply no dog on this world like the Macedonian Sharplaninec.

Astibus

Risto the Great
05-22-2012, 01:24 AM
TLwR, Thank you so much for your kind words! This is actually my dog Arx in the video. You are absolutely correct, true Macedonian Sharplaninci are phenomenal dogs. There's just nothing like them. By the way, Arx is still alive, I bred him once about three years ago to get 6 beautiful puppies out of him. I've retired him last year together with a female Shar on a remote goat farm in Montana. As it turns out, that farm happened to be severly infested with predators. Coyotes and wolves had frequently come by to snatch livestock before. This abruptly ended with my Shars on the ground - so much for retirement I guess. ;) Well, they came one more time to go after the livestock as usual, got the full Sharplaninec experience never to return to that farm again. Zero losses in livestock ever since, not even little chicks are missing. In his old years Arx is still going strong, in fact last winter he decided to have one more litter of four male Shar pups. This dog never backed down against any adversary, in his life he gave more "dancing lessons" to predators than any dog should, yet he's always remained the most loving companion to his family. His loyalty and bravery greatly outshines what's in that video, I just didn't always have a camera around to film it.

There's simply no dog on this world like the Macedonian Sharplaninec.

Astibus
What a great first post!
Welcome Astibus.

George S.
05-22-2012, 03:33 AM
i've seen the sharplaninec in action in macedonia.They guard the sheep,obey the shepherd.Very playfull.If the master is not there & you walk in & the dog doesn't know you it will literally rip you to shreds.Vry placid when the master is around.It will follow the masters commands.I'm told it behaves like a child when the master is around, very obedient to the master..

The LION will ROAR
05-23-2012, 01:22 AM
TLwR, Thank you so much for your kind words! This is actually my dog Arx in the video. You are absolutely correct, true Macedonian Sharplaninci are phenomenal dogs. There's just nothing like them. By the way, Arx is still alive, I bred him once about three years ago to get 6 beautiful puppies out of him. I've retired him last year together with a female Shar on a remote goat farm in Montana. As it turns out, that farm happened to be severly infested with predators. Coyotes and wolves had frequently come by to snatch livestock before. This abruptly ended with my Shars on the ground - so much for retirement I guess. ;) Well, they came one more time to go after the livestock as usual, got the full Sharplaninec experience never to return to that farm again. Zero losses in livestock ever since, not even little chicks are missing. In his old years Arx is still going strong, in fact last winter he decided to have one more litter of four male Shar pups. This dog never backed down against any adversary, in his life he gave more "dancing lessons" to predators than any dog should, yet he's always remained the most loving companion to his family. His loyalty and bravery greatly outshines what's in that video, I just didn't always have a camera around to film it.

There's simply no dog on this world like the Macedonian Sharplaninec.

Astibus

No, thank you Astibus for sharing this with us
Amazing dog and a amazing breed
What made you choose the Macedonian Sharplaninec ..?
I see you live in Montana USA, and you chose the name Astibus are you originally from Stip..?

Astibus
05-24-2012, 01:35 AM
Hi TLwR,

Yes, I am originally from Stip, I was born there. I remember the mighty Shar since my early childhood, it may even have been the first dog I've ever seen. My father and grandfather also told me countless stories about Sharplaninci, wolves and bears. Later on my parents immigrated (with me) to Germany for work, and as a young adult I moved on to the US. I love it here in Montana, but I also miss Macedonia a lot actually. So I decided to go back one day and import a puppy. Then another, then eventually I started breeding them. Somehow they are my daily reminder of my rich heritage, if you will. Here in the US I also employ them as 'ambassadors', i.e. as living proof for what amazing treasures Macedonia has to offer to the world. Once Americans experience the Shar in person, they are more likely to believe that there's much more to this small country named Macedonia than at first glance. ... And on a lighter note, it's really fun having these grumpy, stubborn companions around. LOL

Astibus

The LION will ROAR
05-25-2012, 10:26 PM
Here in the US I also employ them as 'ambassadors', i.e. as living proof for what amazing treasures Macedonia has to offer to the world

You know what, I didn't look it that way...
Your right the Macedonian Sharplaninec that are living outside of Macedonia should be used as Ambassadors of Macedonia
Pozdrav

The LION will ROAR
06-19-2012, 08:24 PM
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/156888_182193021791365_100000020065001_689040_5342 910_n.jpg

Perun
07-12-2012, 10:24 AM
The sharplaninec is dog-genius. Not only are they the most intelligent breed of dogs I've ever seen in my life (they practically UNDERSTAND what their owner says to them), but they're also the most loyal.
A friend of mine owned one until about 5 years ago. The dog knew who I was since it was a pup. We used to play with it when we were kids, walk it, even took it camping with us. Then, one day, about 3-4 years after - when it was fully grown - I went to visit my friend. We were joking around, and I grabbed my friend as if I was arresting him (we were still kids, lol), and when the dog saw me do this - it leaped towards me, threw me to the ground and placed his huge open jaw just above my neck. No need to say it, but I was frightened. My friend realized what's going on, and he just said "No!". And it immediately got off me, and started wagging its tail in a friendly manner.

Did this make me hate or fear the dog after? -Not at all! It just increased the respect I already had for it. It was protecting his master, and I was the only one to blame in the situation. But I was much more careful when playing with my friend after that... :P

julie
07-13-2012, 08:15 AM
Perun, it is my dream to hopefully have one of these beautiful dogs hopefully in less than a year - I had a love affair happen with a 4 month old pup who was BIG at the Bay of Bones Lake Ohrid, would not let me go, wanted to play, they are gorgeous animals :)

The LION will ROAR
07-16-2012, 08:42 PM
The sharplaninec is dog-genius. Not only are they the most intelligent breed of dogs I've ever seen in my life (they practically UNDERSTAND what their owner says to them), but they're also the most loyal.
A friend of mine owned one until about 5 years ago. The dog knew who I was since it was a pup. We used to play with it when we were kids, walk it, even took it camping with us. Then, one day, about 3-4 years after - when it was fully grown - I went to visit my friend. We were joking around, and I grabbed my friend as if I was arresting him (we were still kids, lol), and when the dog saw me do this - it leaped towards me, threw me to the ground and placed his huge open jaw just above my neck. No need to say it, but I was frightened. My friend realized what's going on, and he just said "No!". And it immediately got off me, and started wagging its tail in a friendly manner.

Did this make me hate or fear the dog after? -Not at all! It just increased the respect I already had for it. It was protecting his master, and I was the only one to blame in the situation. But I was much more careful when playing with my friend after that... :P

Welcome Perun,

Thank you for sharing your experience with us...
A superb, Loyal and obedient dog, one can really say and describe the sharplaninec as "Man best friend"....

lavce pelagonski
07-16-2012, 11:09 PM
New litter at Donnybrook Monastery st Prohor Pchinski

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/544404_10151250948247786_1809209307_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/602607_10151250948592786_187594998_n.jpg

George S.
07-17-2012, 12:24 AM
well lookie here what do we find the lavce again,gone to the dogs or is it the shar planina with the dogs shar planinec from?....shar planina

lavce pelagonski
07-17-2012, 02:18 AM
Yes George just cant help myself had these pics for a few weeks but forgot to put therm up there is a clip that I will put up soon

George S.
07-17-2012, 02:47 AM
I thought so.i actually missed the thread & then you just show up with the littliies & now video clips amazing.Lavce keep up the goodwork.

lavce pelagonski
07-17-2012, 03:37 AM
I do try my best enjoy
Sharplaninci from Monastery St. Prohor Puchinski 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR9FBLAy8zg&feature=plcp)

Dimko-piperkata
07-19-2012, 03:55 AM
шарпланинец - the ethnic macedonian dog SHARPLANINEC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKJC8rGtYVE&list=UU2ADIRPQggzbPzj-y_1E-Lw&index=1&feature=plcp)

George S.
07-19-2012, 04:00 AM
the dog attests to the existence of macedonians.

Sime
07-19-2012, 05:46 AM
My best mate and I picked one up from Melbourne at the beginning of the year. He was 6 weeks old and is now nearly 7 months and is bigger than my 1 year old rottie. My Rottie aint small his parents are european and now Australian champions and is dwarfed by his new best friend.
p.s my dogs name is Metchka and my mates dog is Shar.

The LION will ROAR
03-04-2013, 07:53 PM
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/543115_524130320930965_849421533_n.jpg
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/36614_130532170451771_1421861828_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/165016_115474781957510_1580657298_n.jpg
Milenko Nedelkovski Sharplaninec

The LION will ROAR
03-04-2013, 07:53 PM
http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/525335_449547761784505_2009524007_n.jpg
Macedonian Sharplaninec Attacking and defending his flock by a wild Wolf...

Risto the Great
03-04-2013, 07:58 PM
Fierce!
The only word that comes to mind.

The LION will ROAR
08-19-2013, 12:11 AM
The Sharplaninec in the Macedonian Army
http://kurir.mk/makedonija/vesti/126905-EKSKLUZIVNO-FOTO-Poglednete-so-sto-raspolaga-ARM
http://kurir.mk/images/stories/2013/06/31/arm-18500.jpg

The LION will ROAR
09-29-2013, 09:11 AM
Do You Know What Was The Name Of The Dog Of Alexander The Great?
http://www.999dogs.com/do-you-know-what-was-the-name-of-the-dog-of-alexander-the-great/

The legendary king of Macedonia, Alexander the Great fought many battles and was a mighty emperor, thus creating one of the largest empires of the ancient world when he was only thirty years old. On the way of his conquests, it’s been said, that he had a very faithful and powerful furry companion, his dog Peritas.
http://www.999dogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/aleksander-and-peritas-1-600x400.jpg

Peritas accompanied his master for a long time, and even in some occasions, the dog helped Alexander in some military missions. His name was given after the name of the Macedonian word for the month January. There was even a city named after him, in his honor
http://www.999dogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/peritas-600x585.jpg

According to his fearless nature, it’s said to be a Molosser or a Greyhound. This precious dog has been given to Alexander by Pyrrhus of Epirus, and it represented a wondrous pride, knowing that it had beaten an elephant and a lion.

Naturally, this dog has certainly been an important part of Alexander’s intensive life, full of bloodshed and power.

George S.
10-02-2013, 05:44 PM
this dog is very popular in russia.

DedoAleko
01-30-2014, 03:30 PM
"Планета собак". Шарпланинская овчарка (2014) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoX3WnC1A8Y)