How many years ... and now North Macedonia?

[Risto the Great]

Is that the best Nimetz could do?

[osiris]

its the dance of the mad we are involved in risto, i dont believe nth macedonia would be accpetable to the athenian lunatics. they are on a roll now they think obama their man will soon give them whatever they want.

[Venom]

Hang on hang on. Hasn't North Macedonia been suggested (and therefore rejected) before? Why is Nimetz collaborating directly with the grci regarding this?

osiris is right in saying they think that Obama their saviour will force us to be anything but Macedonia now.

Which is why I think it is time for Macedonia to hop into bed with someone else.

[Risto the Great]

i dont believe nth macedonia would be accpetable to the athenian lunatics. they are on a roll now they think obama their man will soon give them whatever they want.
Who gives a shit that it is not acceptable to the Athenian lunatics.
The fact that it appears to be acceptable to the likes of Crvenkovski says more about us than it does for the Greeks. Shame on all Macedonians if this transpires.

I can't believe what has happened in the dynamic over the last month with that sellout Crvenkovski ... it would be treason in any other country.

[Spartan]

I take it "Nort Macedonia" is completely unacceptable to the majority of you guys?

[Traveller]

Nimetz's proposal were REJECTED today by the main greek opposition party (socialists) because: a) of the "Macedonian" language and basically b) even though your country's name in every international organization will be North Macedonia , it leaves a window for billateral relations for every country to call you as they want. It seems to me that the opposition is saying what the goverment wants to say but is afraid of the Americans. Behind the lines you can read "let's wait for the American elections".

[osiris]

yes that's what greece is waiting for the us elections traveeller is also right the opposition is expressing opinions the government wants to but does not becuse it wants to be seen in eu and american eyes as trying to solve the name issue.

risto, crvenkovski represents an insignificant minority in macedonia, his last approval rating was 6%.

[Risto the Great]

risto, crvenkovski represents an insignificant minority in macedonia, his last approval rating was 6%.
Yet he apparently represents our country!
Damn it.

[Risto the Great]

So ... has any Macedonian politician stood up and been defiant on this issue?
Gruevski is disappointing me at the moment, from a state of nationalistic fervour, we have seen a dilution to nothing but compromise now. And the timing could not be any worse.

[Pelister]

People ....

It's not just about a name change ....

The devil is in the detail. It's also the restrictions on how and when they can use the term 'Macedonia'.

The Macedonians are behaving like they are in no position to negotiate anything, and Greece is raping them, only because they are allowing themselves to be raped.

Had Gruevski forgotten about the Interim Accord ? Why doesn't he defend this Accord, or is that also not worth the paper its written on ! This government has to find some fkn principles fast. It has no idea who it represents, or what it stands for. Someone's probably convinced him (Crvenko and the diaspora), that the Macedonians have no need to worry about their identity - they can sell their souls for the so called "democratic" VALUES of the West.

I think their priority is defending their identity - because I say without it they are finished. Now if pursuing these kinds of Western values, at the cost of your ethnic identity, and RIGHTS, is a dangerous fkn precedent to be taking.

Recognizing Kosovo was A BIG MISTAKE.

The Macedonians don't have ANY HUMAN RIGHTS IN ALBANIA.

Why oh Why oh Why do these "Macedonians" think they need a pretty good pretext and reason, to raise the simply issue of their human rights ?

Don't they know that their identity, their history, and their heritage, is being abused ?

[Venom]

Yes indeed Pelister. That is what the whole brouhaha is about -- us being Macedonians.

Gruev is being a soft cock like never before.

[Risto the Great]

Crvenko has rejected the latest Nimetz proposal and Gruevski the snivelling little idiot is yet to comment. What the hell is going on? Clearly the country is being run by idiots.

I am underwhelmed to despair.

[Pelister]

I don't think they actually understand what is happening around them, or more importantly, why, it is happening.

I am certain that they believe that Greece actually has a legitimate claim to the name, and heritage of Macedonia.

This needs to be addressed. Everywhere they turn, every forum they are participating in, every meeting - their identity is being negated at every fkn turn, and this is something they have to think about every once in a while, and come up with a way to counter the negative aspersions - address the problem head on. Not by "negotiating" their name - thats the greatest trick the devil ever pulled on the Macedonians.

This is what I think.

They need to shoot down the Greek lie - attack the idea or the information - rather than dance around the result of the lie.