Obama and McCain advisors on Macedonia and Greece

[Risto the Great]

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3829/46/

The name issue and talks between Macedonia and Greece under UN mediation were one of the topics at the conference New Allies and the New US Administration: Priorities for Central and Eastern Europe – US Relations, which took place at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, Voice of America in Macedonian language reported.

Senior Foreign Policy Advisors to presidential candidates, the Senators John McCain and Barack Obama, presented their positions announcing that the US will continue its engagement in the Balkans.

Kori Schake, Senior Foreign Policy Advisor to Senator John McCain, said that NATO enlargement has no alternative and it is sad that Greece blocked the admission of Macedonia in the Alliance.

- It is sad that Greece blocked Macedonia’s admission in NATO. I think that it will be good friend and ally to the US. Helping in stabilising a country, which made wise decisions in the past 10 years, is in our interest the country to become member of the Alliance. My personal position is that Greece should outdo itself, Kori Schake said.

Philip Gordon, Senior Foreign Policy Advisor to Senator Barack Obama, reminded that the Senator for Illinois supports the NATO enlargement process and announced that US will still be engaged in the Balkans.

According to Gordon, the US should not take side in Macedonian – Greek name dispute.

- Mutually acceptable solution for the name for two parties should be reached. It is not good the US to urge for one of the parties in the process, which could reflect in larger instability, instead in stability in the region, Gordon said.

[Risto the Great]

Perhaps the "wind of change" that Traveller was talking about was merely a wishful little fart.

[Traveller]

Biden and Obama have signed even the most hostile resolutions against your country. BUT we can gain more during the Bush administration. If he is so eager to get you in NATO he should listen us more in the matters of ethnicity and language(since i believe that the name issue is already solved). IF he wants to get you in NATO he has to give us more AS THE GREEK NEGOTIATORS HAVE BLATANTLY TOLD HIM.

[Risto the Great]

Seriously, why should Greeks be listened to in matters of ethnicity and language. They are hardly experts in the matter.

I am glad you believe the name issue is already solved. You might get a surprise.

The Greeks run the risk of irrelevance as their demands already seem petty to outsiders. Soon they will be mocked publicly for their petulance. Lick your finger and check the wind direction.

[Traveller]

Seriously, why should Greeks be listened to in matters of ethnicity and language. They are hardly experts in the matter.

I am glad you believe the name issue is already solved. You might get a surprise.

The Greeks run the risk of irrelevance as their demands already seem petty to outsiders. Soon they will be mocked publicly for their petulance. Lick your finger and check the wind direction.

Yesterday, Schaeffer (=NATO) told you "it is hard for you , but if you want to join NATO and EU you have to change the name". It is so simple. Do you want to join NATO or EU? If you say yes , you know what to do. If you say no under this "blackmail" poverty and civil unrest will dismantle your country. This is Greece's AND NATO plus EU view.

[Rogi]

On what basis do you conclude that poverty and civil unrest will dismantle the Republic of Macedonia. There are no indicators whatsoever for such an outcome.

[Pelister]

Yesterday, Schaeffer (=NATO) told you "it is hard for you , but if you want to join NATO and EU you have to change the name". It is so simple. Do you want to join NATO or EU? If you say yes , you know what to do. If you say no under this "blackmail" poverty and civil unrest will dismantle your country. This is Greece's AND NATO plus EU view.

If what you say is true, then blackmail is the course of the day.

What can the Macedonians learn from this? The strong suggestion coming from NATO and obviously the E.U is that Macedonian soveriegnty, identity and human rights, are simply not respected, nor are they recognized.

The Greek lie, and lobby group has been working hard to convice other E.U members, that Macedonians do not exist - that anyone calling himself a Macedonia - is an insult to the Greek nation, and to the Greek heritage, and the E.U and NOW NATO believe it. Tell a lie long enough, and people start believing it.

The Macedonians can learn from this.

Pursue strong bilateral relations, especially economic, military and political with friends i.e, Turkey, Ukraine...etc

It should end the "negotiations" on the grounds that Greece wants to wipe out its identity, history, culture, heritage.

Only the truth will set them free. Now given the climate, there are going to be people out there who support the Greek lie, regardless of what the Macedonians say or do.

Make a Statement, that the Greek State has been Hellenizing a part of Macedonia, and that the Macedonians, were historically, never Greeks ! This needs to be said.

Greece is fighting this on historical grounds; expose that, and you expose everything.

Find friends in the U.S, Turkey ... and others who respect and recognize the Macedonians.

[Venom]

Yesterday, Schaeffer (=NATO) told you "it is hard for you , but if you want to join NATO and EU you have to change the name". It is so simple. Do you want to join NATO or EU? If you say yes , you know what to do. If you say no under this "blackmail" poverty and civil unrest will dismantle your country. This is Greece's AND NATO plus EU view.

How exactly will civil unrest and poverty dismantle our country big fellow? Nothing of the sort has happened in the last 17 years and we were not part of the EU or NATO. So why should it happen now?

If you even mention 2001, I will formally proclaim my want to punch you square in the face.

The 'view' you are talking about is solely greece's view, but I very much agree with Risto in saying that there will come a time in the near future when many, many people will tire of greece's pathetic little view.

Please sir, think with your head and think logically instead of posting bullshit you want to happen.

[Traveller]

How exactly will civil unrest and poverty dismantle our country big fellow? Nothing of the sort has happened in the last 17 years and we were not part of the EU or NATO. So why should it happen now?

If you even mention 2001, I will formally proclaim my want to punch you square in the face.

The 'view' you are talking about is solely greece's view, but I very much agree with Risto in saying that there will come a time in the near future when many, many people will tire of greece's pathetic little view.

Please sir, think with your head and think logically instead of posting bullshit you want to happen.
It wont happen. When the name problem is solved Greece will be your stepfather in EU.

[Pelister]

It wont happen. When the name problem is solved Greece will be your stepfather in EU.

Oh, please.

That's like the Torturer saying to the victim, submit now, and I will look after you !?

That's pure poison coming from your mouth.

[Venom]

See, the thing is traveller, there is no real name 'issue' per se. It is really an issue of what greeks did to Macedonians with help from their European overlords a little while ago.

So when THAT issue is solved, do you think greece will be able to afford to be anyone's stepfather?